Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
"at all levels"?

It was really ShB when that happened. SB still had a lot of healers not DPSing in Expert, and it wasn't the norm. ShB is also when wall-to-wall pulls became the norm and healer DPS was simplified. THAT'S when healer DPS became the norm, when they were all unified to a DoT + spamnuke.
Got any data to back any of that up? Or is this just your heresay again?

You didn't see every healer DPSing in dungeons in SB, but it was the turning point where it became more common to see healers doing *some* dps rather than none at all. Why? Cleric Stances removal.

Also trying to suggest that wall to wall pulls became the norm in Shadowbringers is comical, are you forgetting how players would routinely struggle in dungeons like Bardams and Doma? Do you honestly think they were single pulling? Wall to wall pulls were absolutely the norm in level cap dungeons. Perhaps I should use the word 'Majority' if you can't comprehend 'the norm'? Does that work for you?

Oh and since I'm not you and don't base my views on random misguided opinions, here's some sources to back up my claims:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...do_you_prefer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._to_wall_mean/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ing_big_pulls/

I'm not going to pretend they are all unified in that wall to walls are the only way to do these dungeons, but you can see the sentiment especially if you look at who's talking about leveling dungeons and who's referring to Experto.

I'm sorry if I offend anybody with this comment but I'm going to be brutally honest. It's a little frowned upon to pull small in any heavensward/stormblood content. The ONLY times I think it's acceptable to pull small is when you're doing super low level dungeons with green leafs or you tried a big pull but your party was too bad. Pulling small shouldn't be your default.
This quote pretty much sums up the sentiment back then perfectly. You might not share it, but you were not the majority if you didn't.

https://youtu.be/VGHkOSvNMx8?si=X-S2cmetk-A9kaKI&t=347 - Oh and a random recording from Stormblood, excuse it starting from after the first boss, Hell's Lid was one of the few dungeons that wouldn't actually let you double pull the first trash packs.

In leveling dungeons it was common sense to gauge your party before going wall to wall, but in the endgame at the level cap? Unless your healer was incompetent or the tank had confidence issues, you were more likely than not pulling wall to wall. The 2 packs > 2 packs > boss > 2 packs > 2 packs > boss etc recipe was long set in stone at this point.