Latest Official Developer Statements About Healer DPS?

[Aravell]

people keep thinking the buttons are the issue, but theyre not. its the combat thats stale, healing should not be a dps race but due to the game pushing enrage, everything is. its a fundimental flaw with this combat system we have, and even if you had no heals and all dps.. youde still hate it eventually. because every job is a dps dressed up as a tank/healer

The argument that "You'll hate/get tired of it eventually" is a flawed one. Humans get bored of something eventually by nature, but if we get what we want, we'd have 4 unique healers to choose from, so if we hate one, we can play another.

What options do we have if we don't like 1 DoT 1 filler healers right now? None.
What options do we have if we don't like builder spender tanks right now? None.

[sindriiisgaming]

The argument that "You'll hate/get tired of it eventually" is a flawed one. Humans get bored of something eventually by nature, but if we get what we want, we'd have 4 unique healers to choose from, so if we hate one, we can play another.

What options do we have if we don't like 1 DoT 1 filler healers right now? None.
What options do we have if we don't like builder spender tanks right now? None.

but you cant have 4 unique healers in a game like this... you can only have 4 different flavours of dps racing healers that heal passively, thats what you current have and you dont like it. the only way to fix these issues is to change the gameplay loop to stop being about dps racing

[Supersnow845]

but you cant have 4 unique healers in a game like this... you can only have 4 different flavours of dps racing healers that heal passively, thats what you current have and you dont like it. the only way to fix these issues is to change the gameplay loop to stop being about dps racing

WOW has unique feeling healers and they still have a massive focus on pumping as much DPS as they possibly can, 14’s problem is that oGCD’s are so overpowered you are punished for GCD healing so the classes feel excessively DPS focused

[Thurmnmurmn]

Imagine saying this game is based around "DPS races" XD
A large chunk of the player base don't even know their own rotation yet can still clear.

[Aravell]

but you cant have 4 unique healers in a game like this... you can only have 4 different flavours of dps racing healers that heal passively, thats what you current have and you dont like it. the only way to fix these issues is to change the gameplay loop to stop being about dps racing

You say this, but the core of the game has not changed since ARR, we had so called "dps races" back then as well, yet we had 3 unique healers in HW/SB.

WHM was direct heals and direct damage.
SCH was preemptive shields and passive over time damage.
AST was delayed and extended heals and have unique buffs.

All the unique traits of the healers were taken away in ShB when they were mashed into the same mold. But sure, tell us how 4 unique healers wouldn't work within the core of this game (despite then working that way before).

[sindriiisgaming]

You say this, but the core of the game has not changed since ARR, we had so called "dps races" back then as well, yet we had 3 unique healers in HW/SB.

WHM was direct heals and direct damage.
SCH was preemptive shields and passive over time damage.
AST was delayed and extended heals and have unique buffs.

All the unique traits of the healers were taken away in ShB when they were mashed into the same mold. But sure, tell us how 4 unique healers wouldn't work within the core of this game (despite then working that way before).

im not advocating for 3.0 combat, but at least jobs did have more identity
perhaps then the issue is encounter deisgn. MHW can be a dps race and yet every fight feels different and its because of how the monsters react. kingdom hearts boss fights are similar like this too. maybe ff14s encounter design is just to rigid?

[ty_taurus]

I mean, the "core fundamental" of every RPG is "do damage." At the heart of every combat system is an HP bar that needs to be depleted. FFXIV's problem is not that damage is valued, because damage is always valued. The problem is that FFXIV's combat design is so meticulously scripted that everything has to happen as it is structured or the system falls apart. Attack speed is a joke for most jobs because then your rotation drifts and we can't have that. Crowd control can't exist because if you silence a boss' cast, then you just skip a mechanic. You can't stun the boss or the entire fight choreography desynchs as the boss' mechanics will be delayed with mechanics that emanate from external sources outside the boss. It's like that cartoonish Disney Channel honors student type character that can't have fun unless they schedule time to have fun ahead of time.

The reason only damage matters is because they cannot think of anything beyond damage to influence the flow of gameplay.

[Supersnow845]

I mean, the "core fundamental" of every RPG is "do damage." At the heart of every combat system is an HP bar that needs to be depleted. FFXIV's problem is not that damage is valued, because damage is always valued. The problem is that FFXIV's combat design is so meticulously scripted that everything has to happen as it is structured or the system falls apart. Attack speed is a joke for most jobs because then your rotation drifts and we can't have that. Crowd control can't exist because if you silence a boss' cast, then you just skip a mechanic. You can't stun the boss or the entire fight choreography desynchs as the boss' mechanics will be delayed with mechanics that emanate from external sources outside the boss. It's like that cartoonish Disney Channel honors student type character that can't have fun unless they schedule time to have fun ahead of time.

The reason only damage matters is because they cannot think of anything beyond damage to influence the flow of gameplay.

A perfect example of a right that is god awful because the player can desync the boss timeline is T7S and if probably argue T7S is the single worst and single hardest fight in the entire history of the game specifically because 14’s jobs aren’t designed to allow the player to manipulate the boss in any way so the fight ends up feelings like an absolutely travesty

[Maltothoris]

A perfect example of a right that is god awful because the player can desync the boss timeline is T7S and if probably argue T7S is the single worst and single hardest fight in the entire history of the game specifically because 14’s jobs aren’t designed to allow the player to manipulate the boss in any way so the fight ends up feelings like an absolutely travesty

There was also A8s too cause too much damage could cause the robots into their hyper mode at the same time so then you get two aoes at the same time so you had to hold dps. The most hilarious one was a A!!S speed kill attempt where the group accidentally skipped Cruise chaser's whirlwind before his second phase and they had to wipe cause they wouldn't be able to push him to skip add phase.

[Gordita]

In 2017, Yoshi-P went on record stating the developers do not expect Healers to contribute to DPS.* Like so many things, some people liked this and some people disliked this, but regardless it provided some valuable insight into the way the devs approach the design of content and roles.

My question is: a lot of time has passed since 2017, so I'm wondering if since then Yoshi-P has ever gone on record as having either altered or reinforced this stance. If so, I'd be grateful if someone could provide the source for whatever he said about it.

I'm just curious to know what the devs have officially said about this sort of thing. Thanks for the help on that!

*Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5la_nyC5BO0&t=282s

Homie said healers don't have to dps while he was cooking sage in the back , laughing