Lodestone Update re software tokens and authenticators

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Changed my phone three times, never an issue Never even had to uncouple the account to do it. Why would the App Store list SE as the developer if some other company developed it?
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand what relying on Google on MS gives them? Reduced maintenance cost on a lightweight Rng generator? Is the cost of that software more than the contract to have Google and MS do that work?
It’s baffling.

Because SE published it on the app store. That just means they presented it to the store, not that they developed it.



And why pay for a company to maintain one when there are a dozen open source or free otp apps?

[WinglessSeraphim]

I was able to buy the physical tokens from the US and have them shipped to Europe. Then when they let you use the phone authenticator (microsoft or google), I switched to that.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Changed my phone three times, never an issue Never even had to uncouple the account to do it. Why would the App Store list SE as the developer if some other company developed it?
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand what relying on Google on MS gives them? Reduced maintenance cost on a lightweight Rng generator? Is the cost of that software more than the contract to have Google and MS do that work?
It’s baffling.

Firstly, cost effectiveness. No matter how small the running cost may be, maintaining the authenticator app will still cost some $$$. It's a common industry tactic to just use other people's solutions if they're available. I'd also argue Google & MS's authenticator apps are simply better built, considering they're way more wide-used than an app built for a single game. Doesn't really matter whether your own personal experience has been good, I've heard plenty of issues arise from Square's app.

Secondly, ability to sly by any issues. If something ever happened to the SE app like data got leaked or something, they'd be baring the effective full brunt of it. Whereas if the Google or Microsoft authenticators got hacked/data leaked/etc, Square would be taking an immense less amount of flak comparatively due to the easy excuse of 'blame them, its their app.'

Thirdly, as Valkryie mentioned, just because Square has their name listed as the developer on the app doesn't mean they actually developed it. It's easy to outsource projects to other studios and pay to have them waive crediting / creative rights to the code. This happens all the time at large studios since it's much more cost & time efficient to keep your in-house team working on more important aspects of the software while optional or smaller bits are handled by other teams or smaller outsourced companies built for these kinds of tasks / contracted programmers who specialize in what you're looking for. To use FF14 as it's own example, everything in the mogstation is developed by a separate team that outside of approving projects and discussions between Yoshi-P & "The mogstation Empress" as he's called her, are effectively independent from one another and have no bearing on each other's development pipelines.

More than likely, either Square decided that maintaining their own authenticator in the face of ones built by quite frankly, much more powerful and skilled companies like Google & MS was a waste of money, or their contracts with whatever outsourced company has expired and Square has elected to not continue it for financial or other reasons.

[AmiableApkallu]

What advantage does relying on third party software from Google or MS give SE? One would think they’d rather have the main way of accessing their game under their own control.

All of these apps implement the exact same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-b...-time_password

It's why you can already use any number of apps, including ones they don't explicitly mention, to generate the one-time passwords. Aside from branding, there's no secret sauce from SE involved.

[DiscordiaEris]

That’s a much better explanation. Thank you.

[VelKallor]

Okay I got it to work.Was VERY careful and got it done. One word. The key here is GET OUT of the app and generate a new OTP each time, I am ingame so I was able to log in successfully. Now all I have to do is get rid of the old SQEX token on my mobile.

The MS one will ask you for a name. Make SURE it is your acct NAME as it appears on the launcher. They are also case sensitive so yeah...be careful. I need a new mobile or smaller fingers

or their contracts with whatever outsourced company has expired and Square has elected to not continue it for financial or other reasons.

I think this is why. I may be wrong but its the most logical explanation

[Reinha]

the keyring authenticator only sells from the NA store that wont accept addresses outside the US

How do i get this keyring since Aus gets sales from the EU version???

I got the keyring and I live in Europe. The store has an EU version if I'm not mistaken. It still got sent from the US and I had to pay a tax.

https://eu.store.square-enix-games.com/merchandise

Oh nvm it's gone from the GB/EU stores.

[VelKallor]

I got the MS auth to work. So Im good for now. I swear, every time I have to mess with that auth system I get nightmares of it screwing up. Thank you for your help

[Myrany]

To be honest the instructions were awful. The images would not enlarge so it was hard to read them to figure out what I was doing. I got it done eventually but this could have gone much better.

[Ransu]

And why pay for a company to maintain one when there are a dozen open source or free otp apps?

And personally for me I prefer the MS app because it requires authentication before you can get the code. The software token from SE always glitched out on me.