Timegated Content You Need A FC For = I Ignore

[ICountFrom0]

That would be bad if true.

I just want an in-depth survey to fill on what I do and don't like and how I would feel about specific changes.

That really is how things are here.

And you'll never get the survey.

They make most changes based on analytics.

Watch the changes to pvp.

Every single one of them is based on changes in the number of players of each class.


Sometimes, just sometimes you can get an in person event, and if you speak fluent Japanese you can get 30 seconds to try to make a change.

[Mcg55ss]

The feedback is meant for the devs. Arguing with people on any video game forums forums is like kicking dirt as people have doubled down their opinions due to sunk cost fallacy. People will try to assume things about you or say you didn't want to play a mode really or just straight up say the opposite. I have zero tolerance for that as it's a mental gymnastics loop people have.

Okay this proves you didn't come from WoW because if you know anything you know that devs never look at the forums, so good luck being a troll

[SquishyPlushie]

I did come from wow, and I'm aware of that sentiment. I'm hoping SE at some level is different from Blizzard.

And yes I'm serious about all my posts. Painting someone you don't like or disagree with as a troll to demean and downplay their opinion's value ain't it.

If you're wondering why I'm aggro about timegate, I see steering people to timegate shticks as a copy of what Blizzard does, which drives me up the wall. Copying industry practices to farm player sunk costing rather than letting them value the IP naturally is a sticking point.

Weekly Vault and Raid Lockouts got me to quit WoW. Sure, mythic+ was engaging and fun, but the timegate loot made it feel like the loot was meaningless and devoid of respecting effort. I do not want a repeat of this dropout in FFXIV as this game is of a higher quality, and I feel strongly for wanting it to feel worthwhile to engage with.

[Astralrisk]

If you're wondering why I'm aggro about timegate, I see steering people to timegate shticks as a copy of what Blizzard does, which drives me up the wall. Copying industry practices to farm player sunk costing rather than letting them value the IP naturally is a sticking point.

Weekly Vault and Raid Lockouts got me to quit WoW. Sure, mythic+ was engaging and fun, but the timegate loot made it feel like the loot was meaningless and devoid of respecting effort. I do not want a repeat of this dropout in FFXIV as this game is of a higher quality, and I feel strongly for wanting it to feel worthwhile to engage with.

I don't think all time gated content exists because of WoW, as MMOs have always had this in there design. It is a bit silly for stuff in WoW when they do lockouts for specific progression systems or unlocking certain content, however for gearing with raid loot it makes sense because if you can just go and farm the same boss in one week for all your BiS drops then it would ruin the incentive to replay content. If I can farm out my BiS gear set first week of the tier, I now have no reason to do any of the current raid content for the next 8+ months. I do think after a certian point the gear lockout should be removed, since its so late into the tier that gear doesn't matter outside of week 1/2 of a raid, however removing it overall would just ruin the initial need to incentivize playing the raid tier, especially when the raid tier is the only real incentive to play the game right now.

[SquishyPlushie]

This is why one idea is to make the maximum ilvl be timegated, rather than the gear drops themselves. One piece could be 600 one week, but the next if you refarm it it's now 605. This way it's depreciating returns as you're rounding out your set if you hit the cap, rather than a full stop no more loot for the week cap. This would also make groups progress through lower difficulty modes first, rather than cheese their way through the hardest mode out the door.

In FFXIV you have so many classes/jobs you'll never run out of gear to farm for if allowed to. One of my retainers is FILLED with 130/270/400/530 poetic gear for jobs I've yet to even touch once. Just the ability to farm ahead was enough to get me to mass grind poetics.

however for gearing with raid loot it makes sense because if you can just go and farm the same boss in one week for all your BiS drops then it would ruin the incentive to replay content. If I can farm out my BiS gear set first week of the tier, I now have no reason to do any of the current raid content for the next 8+ months.

Ah you see, I have a different mentality here. I want to progressively learn bosses in random groups going in blind, and have a reason to incrementally do it. Lots of trial and error. In WoW you spend hours clearing trash, raid prepping, summoning people in, etc. That means in WoW doing something for nothing is a huge loss. I do admit you're immediately "just doing the boss" in FFXIV so starting over if a group falls apart is much less abrasive. I also need to be able to repeat what I've learned, only being able to complete difficult content once a week will not and cannot hold my attention.

[Shinkuno]

I did come from wow, and I'm aware of that sentiment. I'm hoping SE at some level is different from Blizzard.

And yes I'm serious about all my posts. Painting someone you don't like or disagree with as a troll to demean and downplay their opinion's value ain't it.

If you're wondering why I'm aggro about timegate, I see steering people to timegate shticks as a copy of what Blizzard does, which drives me up the wall. Copying industry practices to farm player sunk costing rather than letting them value the IP naturally is a sticking point.

Weekly Vault and Raid Lockouts got me to quit WoW. Sure, mythic+ was engaging and fun, but the timegate loot made it feel like the loot was meaningless and devoid of respecting effort. I do not want a repeat of this dropout in FFXIV as this game is of a higher quality, and I feel strongly for wanting it to feel worthwhile to engage with.

But M+ is literally the place where loot is NOT timegated. You can run m+ all day long and get gear every single run...

[SophiaDL]

But M+ is literally the place where loot is NOT timegated. You can run m+ all day long and get gear every single run...

He doesnt want the m+ vault, that's his problem, he wants mythic level gear from every single m+ run, so that he can complain in about a week time that theres no content left for him to do and how "timegated" the game is while waiting for the next patch

actual troll tbh

[SquishyPlushie]

But M+ is literally the place where loot is NOT timegated. You can run m+ all day long and get gear every single run...

Please don't lie by omission. The Great Vault timegate is what people run m+ for. Which is doing a set number of m+ runs to enable the timegate weekly gear piece drop that is of the highest level. I've yet to hear of people running m+ primarily for the lower ilvl gear.

You are delusional if you think people run M+ for Vault unless. People run M+ all day just to get their BiS trinkets. Why would they want to rely on Vault rng if they can just spam the dungeon over and over? The vault is merely a bonus.

The timegate weekly Great Vault is the primary source of highest ilvl by design, this is the antithesis of what you just said. Do not conflate a once a week event that loot starves highest ilvl to drag out subscriptions with being a bonus event. All the trinkets you just mentioned show up in vault at a higher ilvl. The only reason they're farming m+ for trinkets at all is because they cannot wait for vault and they're tired of the rng loss of control it expresses. Even FFXIV tome timegate doesn't have that last issue. You at least have full control over your loot in FF14.

dont give yourself excuses to not do content, it's ok to just not like to do content but dont give yourself false reasons to justify it, there is no need to

He doesnt want the m+ vault, that's his problem, he wants mythic level gear from every single m+ run, so that he can complain in about a week time that theres no content left for him to do and how "timegated" the game is while waiting for the next patch

actual troll tbh

Is every other comment of yours going to be wild assumptions about what someone is or wants just to hardcore flame them?

Keep it civil.

[Mcg55ss]

I did come from wow, and I'm aware of that sentiment. I'm hoping SE at some level is different from Blizzard.

And yes I'm serious about all my posts. Painting someone you don't like or disagree with as a troll to demean and downplay their opinion's value ain't it.

If you're wondering why I'm aggro about timegate, I see steering people to timegate shticks as a copy of what Blizzard does, which drives me up the wall. Copying industry practices to farm player sunk costing rather than letting them value the IP naturally is a sticking point.

Weekly Vault and Raid Lockouts got me to quit WoW. Sure, mythic+ was engaging and fun, but the timegate loot made it feel like the loot was meaningless and devoid of respecting effort. I do not want a repeat of this dropout in FFXIV as this game is of a higher quality, and I feel strongly for wanting it to feel worthwhile to engage with.

If you don't like weekly lockouts in raid why did you ever go to wow it's been that way since the first raids released I know when I started in 2005 it was like that already and I call you a troll not because I disagree or dislike you not anything that petty but because I figure you're a troll or you're just dumb because raid lockout isn't anything to get to keep people Sub in this game, the thing to keep people sub in this game is the risk of housing being demo. Square enix creates the shortage in housing which makes demand extremely high so you get a house you feel obligated to stay or risk losing it. That's why things like dynamis has almost no mediums or large plots open for FC or for personal yet doesn't have a lot of active players on it, the players transferred in bought their houses and then DC travel back to wherever they want to do content and come back just to make sure their house is ok.

[SquishyPlushie]

Just because it was always a thing does not mean it was okay. Nor am I a 2005 player, mmos are pretty recent for me overall.

I'm sorry but the copypasted claim I've seen is that lockouts are a thing as developers for various studios are worried players will get what they want too fast and quit. That is bad for subscriptions. This is also why in another thread I offered alternative modes of loot progression.

I'm in the proverbial camp where I won't unsub if I hit ilvl cap, but making me go nowhere waiting 6 days out of 7 will. Hitting ilvl cap is when you round out your experience helping others of lesser ilvl or farming for low % droprate cosmetics or doing reputation grinds.

Thank you for mentioning about housing plot demolitions though, I was unaware of that. I still don't have a house in FFXIV.