I miss HW

[Theodric]

It's almost as though some of us genuinely enjoyed the previous expansions and dislike the direction the game has taken in order to cater to those who did not.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's almost as though some of us genuinely enjoyed the previous expansions and dislike the direction the game has taken in order to cater to those who did not.

Its not like we're on our what, 3rd expansion of them continuing the course. If they were going to change back to "ye olden days of Accuracy, no CD resets, and contrived game systems" they would have done it by now.


They aren't going to revert to Heavensward. Stormblood into Shadowbringers confirmed that.

[Theodric]

Its not like we're on our what, 3rd expansion of them continuing the course. If they were going to change back to "ye olden days of Accuracy, no CD resets, and contrived game systems" they would have done it by now.


They aren't going to revert to Heavensward. Stormblood into Shadowbringers confirmed that.

Actually expecting them to go back to those days is a very different matter to looking back at them fondly, though. They're very likely to continue cutting away whatever they feel that they can get away with ridding themselves of in the name of streamlining the game with increasing eagerness. I don't think many are expecting otherwise, though it's still good to leave feedback even if it won't amount to anything.

[Nebelheim]

Its not like we're on our what, 3rd expansion of them continuing the course. If they were going to change back to "ye olden days of Accuracy, no CD resets, and contrived game systems" they would have done it by now.


They aren't going to revert to Heavensward. Stormblood into Shadowbringers confirmed that.

No one is asking for the game to go back to that time. There is people who just prefer that time period. Why do people always come after people who enjoy that era saying we only like that era because of "nostalgia glasses" and try to devalue peoples opinion on when they enjoyed the game the most. Just because you don't like that period doesn't mean others cant. I miss having a group of friends who i would play with for hours at a time when it came out which none of them play anymore and all i have is memories and I'm lucky if the friends i do have left I'm able to even play with here and there now. Asking people how they can like that period and listing off your own personal dislikes about what you listed earlier about that era in a way that sounds like you think people shouldn't like it devalues peoples genuine memories while you pass it off as "rose tinted glasses".

[Renathras]

It's almost as though some of us genuinely enjoyed the previous expansions and dislike the direction the game has taken in order to cater to those who did not.

How do you know people didn't enjoy the game then but think the changes were positive?

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I think a lot of the "complexity" of HW is overblown. Job balance was terrible because of the damage type debuffs. PLD was unwanted in raids because DRK had magic def CDs and every tankbuster in Alexander was magic based.

It's kinda funny, Mr Happy was talking about this in his 3.4 video. At the time, balance was so bad, the meta wasn't just some Jobs, it was an entire party of WAR/DRK/AST/SCH/DRG/NIN/BRD/MCH. The meta literally did not include an entire role (Caster), and multiple Jobs; PLD, WHM, MNK, BLM, and SMN. Double-Melee-Double-Rangedphys was the meta because of how the piercing and slashing debuffs worked and the damage tuning at the time.

Sometimes, people see things in the past fairly.
Sometimes, people have rose tinted goggles.
Sometimes, people have their rose tinted goggles on so tight, it cuts off circulation to their brains.

HW was debateably one of the worst times and possibly the worst expansion in the game's history in a mechanical sense aside from 1.X itself. The story was great, but in terms of functionality and gameplay, it was pretty bad, and up until 3.4, it almost destroyed the raid scene and could have led to killing the game a second time if they hadn't adjusted course, which is probably why they did so.

^still waiting for that option where I can force every other character on my screen to just be wearing their artefact armour

If you were asking for unglamoured, I could see that (though I don't know why; a lot of the base gear looks abysmal and the accessories like everyone running around with dangly earrings is far more off-putting and historically inaccurate than a T-shirt), but artifact armor is supposed to be rare, not common. And you're basically asking for everyone to look the same, which seems...odd. Especially since that complaint is the entire reason every modern MMO has a transmog system; because people don't like looking all the same as everyone else.

Now, you could ask for a "town clothes vs combat clothes" thing, I suppose. But since we spend a lot of time in towns, that wouldn't change much. Other than the hat, my standard garb is the Lalafell tunic (Blue/Green/Red color matched to role; I like having a "physical" satchel for all the scenes my character either puts something into or uses something from it, not to mention if adventuring, I'd need something to carry things in), Cloud's pants (the only Lala pants that don't either tuck into the boots or hug the thighs and shins - I have no idea why they do that for all pants on Lalas, but I hate it, so go with the most available option that doesn't), and either the High Allegan Boots of Casting/Healing (for those roles, respectively), or brown Hard Leather Boots that remind me of FFTactics shoes. Oh, and the Pagos bandages (also color coded) since they're unobtrusive. And I swap out the hat sometimes for things.

I also like the WHM ARR robes and sometimes use those (with white Hard Leather Boots) or the ShB SCH coat (I like the cape), and I sometimes use the Ivalician Squire chest for my Tanks (sometimes with some gold gauntlets I found that match it, don't recall the name), and when I first hit EW and had just SCH/SMN/GNB at 90, I wore the GNB coat with those same gauntlets. Though those are more based on mood. I'd like a lot more armor sets if they didn't do a "floof" over the butt like Zenos'. I can't understand why that is a thing the Devs have decided on for so much gear (specifically, though not exclusively, on Lalas), but it's obnoxious.

It just seems you think that the people who genuinely like certain parts of that era are insane or lying about enjoying it because you found it boring or are making it up for enjoying it. Or that people only think they enjoy it because there looking back on it with nostalgia.

How's that different than the proponents of the past insisting everyone who likes how things have changed either didn't like the game then or is/wants braindead/lazy content?

Also btw, hahaha.

I'm saving this thread. Because come 3 or 5 years later or so, where we bark this same conversation again about "I miss EW" You bet I'll be pulling up this thread to remind the wishy washy/nostalgia goggle nature of the average MMO player.

While I agree with you in a general sense...it may not go ALL the way.

Warlords of Draenor is still considered WoW's worst expansion. That said, Mists and Cata (and Wrath, I still remember "Wrath Baby" as a derisive term for the game being "braindead" then) were all attacked in their time as being bad compared to what came before. Now, Wrath is deified as the height of the game's history by a lot of people, Cata as a monument to challenging and good gameplay (it wasn't, but whatever), and Mists generally gets the credit it should have gotten then.

So there is absolutely a contingent of people who will NEVER be satisfied and constantly saying something in the past was better while badmouthing the present. I'm not saying everyone, though, and I also disagree that EVERYTHING will be praised at some point. I could see EW being looked at like WoD to a point by a contingent of the community. I COULD see if things keep changing those people someday praising ShB, though. A lot of the people that praise SB now complained about it at the time, and that's probably true of HW/ARR as well.

It's either a "you never know how good you have it til it's gone" thing or a "you just will never be pleased and always say something else is better than what you have" thing with a lot - not ALL, but a lot - of people.

...but those people probably won't ever praise EW/WoD. They may praise other things that they currently decry, though.

[Nebelheim]

How's that different than the proponents of the past insisting everyone who likes how things have changed either didn't like the game then or is/wants braindead/lazy content?

All i said was i like that era and would like the harder gameplay back. And content has become easy and braindead. I don't have a problem with people liking how the game is currently i just prefer how it was before. I know we wont be getting heavansward era combat/gameplay design decisions back.