How is this NOT harrasment/griefing?

[seuki]

I'll just counter that with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thanks for playing though.

In this case the few have the power and those with power don't really give a crap unless they are the courteous ones. SE can't/won't do anything because of the achievements set in place so tough luck unless they either get rid of those achievements or make behest an instance like Ifrit. Seriously, people only do it for achievements which is a goal, just like leveling up.

[rina_inverse]

I have to disagree.

It's one person with incredibly bad manners and a silly intention of working on his 'achievement' - which is nothing more than a pretty number that says "oh, I've done stuff here x amount of times, I'm a badass!"
versus
The person who is doing behest with an honest intention - getting experience points to level up and make actual progress. This person will gain experience, knowledge, and maybe even abilities on his class.

Who has more to gain? The person who has need of the experience from those mobs.
In light of this fact, I'd say the achievement means little to nothing, even less so if the person is a douche.

And who do you think you are, thinking you can easily pass judgement to other player?
I know, you must be one of them. You must be the Judge lapdog!
Admit it!

[Nabiri]

I have to disagree.

It's one person with incredibly bad manners and a silly intention of working on his 'achievement' - which is nothing more than a pretty number that says "oh, I've done stuff here x amount of times, I'm a badass!"
versus
The person who is doing behest with an honest intention - getting experience points to level up and make actual progress. This person will gain experience, knowledge, and maybe even abilities on his class.

Ok, so you believe it's fair to judge how people play the game.. That it's your place to
decide what "honest" intentions are, and who deserves more than others, gotcha.

What is progress to you may not be progress to others.
What is progress to others may not be progress to you.
Those are opinions, not facts. Everyone is different.

Who has more to gain? The person who has need of the experience from those mobs.
In light of this fact, I'd say the achievement means little to nothing, even less so if the person is a douche.

In light of this fact

By "fact" I know you mean opinion.

Who has more to gain? It's up to the individual to decide for themselves what they
have to gain from something and how important it is to them. Not for you to decide for
them.

And I'm not even talking about someone being a jerk, I'm totally against being a jerk
to people.

[ArkNova]

Too bad we don't have the opinion of the 50 in question.

[rina_inverse]

Too bad we don't have the opinion of the 50 in question.

You know, it's actually pretty rude
TC set us against each other, then just leave like that

At least stay here and burn with us

[Invalice_Vangaurd]

I have to disagree.

It's one person with incredibly bad manners and a silly intention of working on his 'achievement' - which is nothing more than a pretty number that says "oh, I've done stuff here x amount of times, I'm a badass!"
versus
The person who is doing behest with an honest intention - getting experience points to level up and make actual progress. This person will gain experience, knowledge, and maybe even abilities on his class.

Who has more to gain? The person who has need of the experience from those mobs.
In light of this fact, I'd say the achievement means little to nothing, even less so if the person is a douche.

Yeah because everyone plays the game exactly the same way and for exactly the same reasons, right? By this logic, I think everyone harvesting/mining/fishing solely for profit or achievements should get the hell out of all zones because there are legitimate players trying to level up DoL classes, and you are simply getting in their way and taking their nodes while you try to get your stupid meaningless achievements and monies...how dare you. Play the game my way or GTFO. /sigh

[Yucie]

Ok, so you believe it's fair to judge how people play the game.. That it's your place to
decide what "honest" intentions are, and who deserves more than others, gotcha.

What is progress to you may not be progress to others.
What is progress to others may not be progress to you.
Those are opinions, not facts. Everyone is different.





By "fact" I know you mean opinion.

Who has more to gain? It's up to the individual to decide for themselves what they
have to gain from something and how important it is to them. Not for you to decide for
them.

And I'm not even talking about someone being a jerk, I'm totally against being a jerk
to people.

Numbers that have no tangible meaning besides a pretty number in your UI don't seem like progress to me.
However, numbers that give you more HP, MP, and abilities - as well as the ability to wear better gear - being experience points here, seem FAR more important. I don't think that's being judgemental - honestly, I think that's common sense, lol.

There's no reason a 50 should be in behest with lower-levels, stealing their mobs and gimping their decent exp gain to almost nothing simply because he wants his pretty number to be.. what? Slightly prettier? Okay then, way to go.
Now, if the 50 was communicating and cooperating with the other players in the behest, and helping them with experience by nuking their mobs after claim, sure, that'd be an entirely different story, but it's not the case here.

The 50 in question is being a gigantic douchebag. Also, are you one of those who would use logic in the following fashion?:
If a gamer spends money on this game, he can play it any way he wants. It's his game, after all. There's where I see you coming from, but hopefully I'm wrong.

If the d-bag 50 isn't willing to cooperate, or even be slightly courteous to players who physically benefit from Behest, then I think he shouldn't be there. That's all there is to it. Don't go along and try defending such an action with matters of opinion versus fact. It's common sense.

[Chardrizard]

You dont even kknow the other side of story, none of us know. It could be OP exxegarting stuff to jjustifies his reason when he probably didnt even bother to send tells to the lv50 guy. People have known to twist stories to favors them, i personally do not believe anyone would kill normal mob and leave the NM alone, i could believe he kills everything for aachievement purpose, but leaving NM alone is probably the story OP made to get us to side him.

[Nabiri]

Numbers that have no tangible meaning besides a pretty number in your UI don't seem like progress to me.
However, numbers that give you more HP, MP, and abilities - as well as the ability to wear better gear - being experience points here, seem FAR more important. I don't think that's being judgemental - honestly, I think that's common sense, lol.

There's no reason a 50 should be in behest with lower-levels, stealing their mobs and gimping their decent exp gain to almost nothing simply because he wants his pretty number to be.. what? Slightly prettier? Okay then, way to go.
Now, if the 50 was communicating and cooperating with the other players in the behest, and helping them with experience by nuking their mobs after claim, sure, that'd be an entirely different story, but it's not the case here.

The 50 in question is being a gigantic douchebag. Also, are you one of those who would use logic in the following fashion?:
If a gamer spends money on this game, he can play it any way he wants. It's his game, after all. There's where I see you coming from, but hopefully I'm wrong.

If the d-bag 50 isn't willing to cooperate, or even be slightly courteous to players who physically benefit from Behest, then I think he shouldn't be there. That's all there is to it. Don't go along and try defending such an action with matters of opinion versus fact. It's common sense.

Something that has no meaning to you isn't progress to you. That is fine as long as you do recognize that it is your opinion and not the opinion of everyone.

There IS, in fact a good reason for a level 50 to be in behest with lower levels, whether you like that reason or not... But purposely ruining their Exp? No, there's no good reason for that. But as I said, I wasn't even talking about people being jerks. I was referring to you deciding what types of progress are worthier than others, for other people.

No, I wouldn't say that about myself at all. More like, if a gamer spends money on this game he/she can play it in any way he/she wants so long as it is not purposely harmful to others.

Again, I wasn't talking about the level 50 player at all so I'm not sure why you seem to be assuming I would defend someone who might've acted rudely..(He could've gone afk at the end for all we know - or he could have been being a jerk on purpose. I don't know and honestly don't care.) I wouldn't support disruptive behavior.
I was addressing your need to tell others how to play based on what is most important to you ("leveling > achievements").

[rina_inverse]

@Yucie:

tldr your opinion is your opinion, dont force it on others