Feedback from a new player

[SophiaDL]

I will pick tiny snippets because most of this is just opinion, but some things need to be mentioned

But it really feels like Wow back in 2005

No it isnt, WoW was never an absolute cakewalk as FFXIV is, and the leveling even less. Are you sure you played vanilla ?

I also appreciate that the Novice Network is firstly moderated

No it isnt lmao, you just havent encountered the toxicity of it yet.

So no RMT spammers and such stuff

RMT is everywhere in this game, flying lalas, party finder spam, teleporting lalas, spamming low levels in Limsa, or trading gil to other players in busy mode.

[Tankymctankface]

Sorry Sophia... I should've put "feel" in CAPS.... Yeh, certainly did die alot more in Vanilla. The NPCs could certainly use a buff.
I meant more just the feel of the game. It is decidely different than the other MMOs I've played, and feels like Wow.... Hard to define.... Maybe it's just the amount of reading text again.... Maybe it's the tab targetting.... It just feels... wow-familiar, if that makes sense....
It is a bit too easy, granted.

I should also say... Retail wow, now, like a month ago... Also easy as pie (Leveling).... Nothing out there is Classic or rather Vanilla hard anymore....

[SophiaDL]

Sorry Sophia... I should've put "feel" in CAPS.... Yeh, certainly did die alot more in Vanilla. The NPCs could certainly use a buff.
I meant more just the feel of the game. It is decidely different than the other MMOs I've played, and feels like Wow.... Hard to define.... Maybe it's just the amount of reading text again.... Maybe it's the tab targetting.... It just feels... wow-familiar, if that makes sense....
It is a bit too easy, granted.

No need to put feel in caps, was just saying that its mostly opinion which is normal, that's the point of the post, I'm just not understand the comparison from vanilla to FFXIV, FFXIV's leveling is an absolute cakewalk, the mobs hit like actual wet noodles, while vanilla had rough mobs that would kill you if you did a single mistake

Hell I remember when I leveled my main char, I could literally pull packs of 10 mobs and just aoe them down with a tiny tiny bit of kiting, that's why I'm not understanding the comparison

I guess if what you care about is the questing and stuff in itself I can understand, but combat wise it's like night and day really

[Snorky]

No need to put feel in caps, was just saying that its mostly opinion which is normal, that's the point of the post, I'm just not understand the comparison from vanilla to FFXIV, FFXIV's leveling is an absolute cakewalk, the mobs hit like actual wet noodles, while vanilla had rough mobs that would kill you if you did a single mistake

Hell I remember when I leveled my main char, I could literally pull packs of 10 mobs and just aoe them down with a tiny tiny bit of kiting, that's why I'm not understanding the comparison

I guess if what you care about is the questing and stuff in itself I can understand, but combat wise it's like night and day really

I don't know what you are remembering but I played vanilla wow as well as beta wow I came from daoc. Wow vanilla was easy to level in that's why it was so popular at the time that and the fame of the 3 warcraft single/lan games before it. Wow started off solo friendly and then came ghostwalker and turned it into a big pile of raid or die.

[Jeeqbit]

Hell I remember when I leveled my main char, I could literally pull packs of 10 mobs and just aoe them down with a tiny tiny bit of kiting, that's why I'm not understanding the comparison

I do remember the enemies hurting a lot and taking a while when going through Heavensward in quest gear on a tank, but that was many years ago and it is probably easier now with all the changes over the years. But even that probably wouldn't compare to it or even to something like Eureka or deep dungeons.

[Reap00]

I will pick tiny snippets because most of this is just opinion, but some things need to be mentioned



No it isnt, WoW was never an absolute cakewalk as FFXIV is, and the leveling even less. Are you sure you played vanilla ?



No it isnt lmao, you just havent encountered the toxicity of it yet.



RMT is everywhere in this game, flying lalas, party finder spam, teleporting lalas, spamming low levels in Limsa, or trading gil to other players in busy mode.

Good to see a nice post of negativity to refute everything the new player has to say. These forums are absolute garbage.

[SophiaDL]

Good to see a nice post of negativity to refute everything the new player has to say. These forums are absolute garbage.

Oh you dont like the forums ? See ya ! Dont worry we aint holding you back

[Raven2014]

RMT is everywhere in this game, flying lalas, party finder spam, teleporting lalas, spamming low levels in Limsa, or trading gil to other players in busy mode.

And here is why people experience differ. I've been playing this game for almost 10 years now and I can relate to why the new players would think so. Because I also notice "very little" RMT activities in the game that I can perceive. It's because whenever I log into the game, I would be actively doing something. Either I'm in the field doing hunt/fate, or I'm in some kind of instance (dungeon or raid). The little downtime I have (usually waiting for a queue to pop) I would normally be around my house. I rarely go to the city states, probably at most once a week, and I'm normally wouldn't be there for more than a minute or two (usually just for GC stuffs). I don't think even a 0.1% of my playtime are spent inside city states. So someone with my play style would notice very very few RMT, almost to the point of it being absent altogether. And that probably close to what a new players experience, since the majority of their time would be spent on the field. As oppose to players who spend 30%, 50% or even more of their time socializing in the city state ... then yeah, I bet they'll see huge amount of RMT traffic.

But I do think the impression of the OP is correct. Every MMO has RMT issue, and I had played almost all of them, FF14 is probably that manage to localize the issue the most. In other mmo you can almost never able to escape RMT traffic anywhere with the only exception is in an instance. For example, someone starting WoW probably see a goldseller spam message even before the very first cutsceen of the game is finished. And frankly, Limsa is a bit of a meme for a long time. Anyone who had played the game for a long time know it's kinda an degenerate blackhole for both good and bad. Bad because maybe something should have been done about all the malpractice there*, good precisely because it's a blackhole that sucks a lot of issues into itself so you don't see it in other area of the game.


*note: I don't care and have any opinion about whatever crap people do there. Like I said I'm not hanging around there so no skin off my bad. I just feel a lot of time people bring it up as a meme and maybe imply it's representative experience of the game. For me, Limsa is more of an exception rather than the norm.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

I will pick tiny snippets because most of this is just opinion, but some things need to be mentioned



No it isnt, WoW was never an absolute cakewalk as FFXIV is, and the leveling even less. Are you sure you played vanilla ?



No it isnt lmao, you just havent encountered the toxicity of it yet.



RMT is everywhere in this game, flying lalas, party finder spam, teleporting lalas, spamming low levels in Limsa, or trading gil to other players in busy mode.

Please, you never played WoW during Beta - let alone Vanilla. Vanilla is super easy, it just took forever to do anything. A Frost Mage rotation in Vanilla for PvE content was to just spam Frost Bolt and Fire Blast during dungeons and raids. Then there's the classic realms where Botting and RMT is rampant as Blizzard doesn't moderate them as they don't care about Classic nor care to invest in it. Heck, Wrath just got a new exploit where bots can fly hack through trees and STILL can. Blizzard has yet to ban these bots or patch that as they see no reason to bother as they only care about making money off retail. Classic and classic wrath are just cheap alternatives to placate boomers and get them logging in while dangling Retail news constantly to get them to go back to retail.

Which proves their point. Toxicity is rampant in WoW and is extremely easy to encounter. Such as during Timewalking weeks where the min-maxxers are extremely toxic if you don't play the way they want and will bully new and less experienced players then vote kick them out. Since WoW is so toxic, Vote Kicks almost always succeed as players are conditioned to just hit Yes and not care why or if it's deserved. Then there's the toxicity of M+ - something you clearly have no experience with.

WoW has way worse RMT than FF14. They literally allow selling carries in their Trade Chat for gold amounts that are only possible via RMT or WoW Tokens. GDKPs are also allowed as well. The WoW Token existing also means that nothing matters as players can RMT or WoW Token to any achievements they want in the game. Heck, the top Guilds in WoW actively participate in RMT, sell carries, do GDKP, and buy gold. Blizzard knows this and doesn't do anything about them as they see them as beneficial to have as long as they stay a top Guild.

Then there's addons like weakauras, DBM, and the such that will practically play the game for players. Instead of regulating or banning addons that are as invasive as weakauras, Blizzard literally admitted that they designed Raids around them. Which means that if you weren't using those addons, that the raids were designed around, then you were at a severe disadvantage.

I get it, you love WoW - despite never playing it. Doesn't change that you're still wrong on this - as usual - and haven't played WoW at all since you cannot even get the facts right about Vanilla.