Feedback from a new player

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Tanis?

I have commented on M+ toxicity..and been called a liar and told I was making things up. It isnt you, of course, far from it, I am just observing the sickening double standards.

It'd be amusing...if it wasnt so sad.



The HUGE list of addons you must have to play at all is....I dont know if youd call it disgusting or just plain wrong. I am 1000%^ glad we dont have this issue in FF 14 thanks to the devs hard stance.

We dont want to go down that rabbit hole.

WoW's issue is that they never regulated addons. They cannot remove that option at this point as a lot of players would just quit. Now, they cannot even ban weakauras as not only did Blizzard take too long to do so, but they already admitted that they designed Raids and M+ around having weakauras. It's why I gave up on M+ as without weakauras, DBM, and the such then you're at a severe disadvantage. Yet having these things is like not even playing the game as a good weakaura, DBM, GTFO, and macros will essentially play the game almost for you. As it gives a ton of info and will tell you what to do, what to avoid, what to interrupt, what to debuff, what to cleanse on who and when, and ect.

I get why FF14 took a full on hard stance, as regulating it would be a pain.

Blizzard has no excuse as 99% of all addons are installed and used via Curseforge. Blizzard easily could have banned weakauras and told Curseforge that they would be blacklisted if they didn't ban weakauras as well. Removing weakauras from Curseforge would kill that addon. The only ones that would look for workarounds would be hardcores and Blizzard would know who would be using it. As Blizzard can easily look up the logs of guilds for the hardest clears if they so want to. It's not like weakauras hides itself from being used. Course, Blizzard never gave that addon any reason to hide itself.

This is also why I laugh when people say WoW is harder than FF14 (a game where you need to learn the mechanics per fight). That's a lie, as with addons even top M+ clears can be trivialized. Players don't need to know the fights that well as the addons will tell them what to do. Then there's Blizzard allowing carries to be sold and advertised on calendars and trade chat. Why, if I wanted, I could max out this M+ season really easily by just using Gold and getting a "pro" group with the right addons/weakauras to carry me. Heck, Mythic clears for the current raid tier are advertised 24/7 on trade chat too. I could get the Glory cheevo if I wanted and had enough gold.

[SophiaDL]

You cannot even come up with a good rebuttal. You know that I'm right and are just angry that you were proven to be a fraud on this subject.

Actually I just did, but as I mentioned previously, you dont do any challenging content and didnt in WoW, so to be fair, your opinion is irrelevant.

Soooo... to you the only "content" worth doing is extremes and savage. "If you dont do these you arent playing the game"

If you think normal raiding in FFXIV is challenging, god am I glad you left WoW then, because I can only imagine how hard mythic raiding would be for you, you would outright quit on the first trash mobs. And also stay away from savage or ultimates, because if you dont you are in for a very rough time if you think normal raids are challenging and actual proper content.

[VelKallor]

Why, if I wanted, I could max out this M+ season in a week, if that, by just using Gold and getting a "pro" group with the right addons/weakauras to carry me.

WOW tokens. Yeah. I know.

I used them for my sub...then over time saw what you did and got out.

I get why FF14 took a full on hard stance, as regulating it would be a pain.

DPS meters add to that toxicity..but I wont say more as you know my stance on those anyway. Look..I get addons and QOl, I get it I do...but when they start playing the game for you, yeah, NO.

[VelKallor]

Yes I am talking about challenging content, not afk galore that "normal" raids are.

Soooo... to you the only "content" worth doing is extremes and savage. "If you dont do these you arent playing the game"

[VelKallor]

While you're at it, please look up the name of the gear you get from abyssos normal mode and the name of the gear you get from abyssos savage mode. Ideally you will find out why calling it abyssos gear when you mean the normal mode gear carries a certain lack of clarity.

I am now standing in front of the vendor in Radz at Han

The vendor lists

Unsung Relic of Abyssos DOW 1 2 and DoM

Theres that name again.

It then lists

Abyssos Mythos Exchange

And theres that name again.

Ideally you will find out why calling it abyssos gear when you mean the normal mode gear carries a certain lack of clarity.

Ideally the name of the entire raid is Abyssos, but you know this already and this is just another cheap shot. So yes I got gear from Abyssos. Or are we REALLY going to get into nitpicking semantics?.

[Saraide]

I am now standing in front of the vendor in Radz at Han

The vendor lists



Theres that name again.

It then lists



And theres that name again.



Ideally the name of the entire raid is Abyssos, but you know this already and this is just another cheap shot.

Please click on the vendor lists and report to us what the actual gear from unsung relics of abyssos and from abyssos mythos exchange is called.

Or are we REALLY going to get into nitpicking semantics?.

Oh my bad for wanting clarity. Didnt think this kind of clarification would be such a big issue for you.

[VelKallor]

Please click on the vendor lists and report to us what the actual gear from unsung relics of abyssos and from abyssos mythos exchange is called.

You have your answer. Discussion over.

[Ivtrix]

You have your answer. Discussion over.

Bro sorry but you’re the only person I have ever met who describes the normal mode gear as <raid tier name> gear. It’s almost exclusively referred to as “normal raid gear” since when we talk about a raid tier gear we’re talking about raiding BiS, which normal mode gear is most certainly not.

Just sounds like you are trying to argue semantics. Much ado about nothing.

[Saraide]

Bro sorry but you’re the only person I have ever met who describes the normal mode gear as <raid tier name> gear. It’s almost exclusively referred to as “normal raid gear” since when we talk about a raid tier gear we’re talking about raiding BiS, which normal mode gear is most certainly not.

Just sounds like you are trying to argue semantics. Much ado about nothing.

What's weird is that it is apperently also such a big deal to just clarify when asked.

[SophiaDL]

Thats two. The actual list is a LOT larger. But you know that already. Quartz, Exosus, Details,Recount, Skada, Healbot, Bartender, Bagnon, Threat plates, ELVUI..want me to go on? You know full well that WOW uses a gigantic list of addons, and the average player has a MINIMUM of fifteen loaded.

You dont need all that though ? What are you even talking about lol, the only one you might need in that list you mentioned is healbot for healing, the rest is literally UI changing fluff or quality of life such as better bags inventory, none of this is necessary , AT ALL. I do mythic raiding and I have bartender and DBM/Weakaura, that's IT. Nothing else, they even implemented a stagger bar for monk so I dont even need that anymore.

And you know this...how?

Because literally nobody cares in WoW about addons, people are happy to have them, now granted I despise overwolf so I just update my stuff manually and I have no issues, unlike in FFXIV in which you have to wait for years for a simple QoL improvement, I can get it in a second in WoW.

Given the constant drain of players WOW is experiencing, you have that reversed. I dont miss WOW at all, never will. A lot of people dont these days. Their highest player count was from China...and you know how that ended.

The drain of players ? DF is literally a success, and thank god for that after SL (actually made me quit even), now that was a disaster, DF is what happens when the devs actually listen to people, Yoshi P could take example.

If I did no content, how did I get all my classes to 90, how did I max out my crafters, how did I get my hands on Abyssos and Pandaemonium gearsets......

( Or is this your own narrow view that "content refers to ONLY Savage and Extreme" etc and anything else doesnt matter?....? )

Yes I am talking about challenging content, not afk galore that "normal" raids are.