Why are there no multi-hit skills on Sage?

[Absurdity]

Broader question, though: Is it feel better/necessary for Kardia's interactions to exploit multi-hits specifically, or just that it should be able to exploit variances in its triggering GCDs?

I feel like literally doubling/tripling/quadrupling its value via multi-hits would mean, in accordant balance, that the single-hit version would hardly be noticeable, so I'm a little worried about attempting to give it such a range.

I would replace already existing Sage oGCDs with those multi-hit abilities, so the normal single-hit version would still be noticeable as your passive healing (like Eos) since all of your big Kardia heals are still restricted by cooldowns.

I think the plan isn't really to just staple high potency Kardia healing on top of the already strong oGCD heals that Sage has, but replace the fire and forget abilities with something that interacts with your core job mechanic.

[Shurrikhan]

I would replace already existing Sage oGCDs with those multi-hit abilities, so the normal single-hit version would still be noticeable as your passive healing (like Eos) since all of your big Kardia heals are still restricted by cooldowns.

I think the plan isn't really to just staple high potency Kardia healing on top of the already strong oGCD heals that Sage has, but replace the fire and forget abilities with something that interacts with your core job mechanic.

I mean, feel free to bind/siphon additional healing potency-per-minute specifically to attacks as you wish, but that seems a separate issue.

Which seems like the better fit for what should heal more on Sage: Greater total damage in the given spell, or solely the numbers of hits it has? Effects being arbitrary, should the big lazer animation Pnuema heal for less than a bunch of wispy little muted shots via, say, Smínos Melissón ("swarm of bees")?

Is there something you specifically want from a dichotomy where some skills may deal more damage (via fewer hits) but others heal for more (via a lower total damage but more hits)? EDIT: And does that seem like a healing/damage priority lever that you want to create specifically in that way?

[Absurdity]

I mean, feel free to bind/siphon additional healing potency-per-minute specifically to attacks as you wish, but that seems a separate issue.

Which seems like the better fit for what should heal more on Sage: Greater total damage in the given spell, or solely the numbers of hits it has? Effects being arbitrary, should the big lazer animation Pnuema heal for less than a bunch of wispy little muted shots via, say, Smínos Melissón ("swarm of bees")?

What if we changed the big laser to a barrage of (maybe medium-sized) lasers, doing 4 hits and 4 instances of Kardia healing? Granted it would heal more than the laser currently does and have some awkward damage potencies, but that can always be adjusted. Nobody said that the spell needs to look whispy and little just because it's multi-hit.

Is there something you specifically want from a dichotomy where some skills may deal more damage (via fewer hits) but others heal for more (via a lower total damage but more hits)? EDIT: And does that seem like a healing/damage priority lever that you want to create specifically in that way?

What I want from this Dichotomy is simply more spells and abilities that interact with Kardia and funnel more of our current healing through that mechanic, be that through increased healing from proccing multiple instances or changing the function of what it does.
Spreading it to the party, increasing it's healing potency or maybe even converting the Kardia healing into a barrier are what comes to mind right away, and you could then choose on which of your skills you want to use those modifiers on.

[ForsakenRoe]

I think the plan isn't really to just staple high potency Kardia healing on top of the already strong oGCD heals that Sage has, but replace the fire and forget abilities with something that interacts with your core job mechanic.

Yeh, rather than having Physis as a standard HOT, it could have been stacks of 'everyone gets healed by AOEKardia'. Druochole could have, instead of being Lustrate 2, been 'you trigger Kardia healing 4 times with this one move', stuff like that, that incentivizes thinking about who Kardia's applied to, not just 'is it on the MT'

Trying to do an EX roulette run with no OGCDs except Krasis and Soteria is actually quite interesting, dare I say fun, because of how fast you can hot-swap Kardia from one player to another. If they shortened the CD on it from 5 down to 2s so you could swap after every GCD if needed, that'd be nice

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Yeh, rather than having Physis as a standard HOT, it could have been stacks of 'everyone gets healed by AOEKardia'. Druochole could have, instead of being Lustrate 2, been 'you trigger Kardia healing 4 times with this one move', stuff like that, that incentivizes thinking about who Kardia's applied to, not just 'is it on the MT'

Trying to do an EX roulette run with no OGCDs except Krasis and Soteria is actually quite interesting, dare I say fun, because of how fast you can hot-swap Kardia from one player to another. If they shortened the CD on it from 5 down to 2s so you could swap after every GCD if needed, that'd be nice

Kardia works like that in PvP. Just to keep that tally going for 'the PvE jobs need to take cues from the PvP ones.'

Also, I imagine that they left Kardia so undercooked because they realized they keep adding boss phases where damage goes out and there's nothing to hit. So rather than chance giving SGE just a simpler 'no enemy available' toolkit or maybe the ability to 'attack' an ally with offensive skills to proc Kardion effects when enemies aren't available, they threw their hands up out of frustration or fear of poor reception and played it safe.

You know, I often wondered why the hell they got rid of my ability to aim and control my faerie, and I think it rests on this core design.

The FFXIV devs feel that players shouldn't have to use resources outside of what they're easily given in game to succeed, and I respect that, but sometimes I think they just draw the line where it suits themselves over the players. The Faerie was perfectly manageable if you set up keybinds for Embrace, Steady, Place and Follow (all their additional actions were just turned into oGCDs that you have bound anyways), and maybe even macros if you wanted. The tools have always been there, but they concluded that they should polish off the rough edges entirely rather than putting the work to make it work as is.

Like, why wasn't the pet hotbar configurable, and why could you not tell Eos to default heal your target or targets' target? Those were functions they could have included in the UI somewhere. It wouldn't have been 'clean' so they didn't go that route.

These would be the kinds of things players from other MMOs would just learn to deal with and someone would eventually make an addon to assist with it, and I think it's that end state that SE tries to avoid, rather than just embracing that player choice in their own way by including additional actions or options in game to help those less technically savvy not miss out on an advantage.

On that note, Undraw is the weirdest action in the game's history. It was put in at a time when ASTs could draw a card they wouldn't want to play because players would otherwise need to /statusoff a drawn card with their own macro, yet it was still objectively worse because they didn't let you use Undraw while casting and there were separate ones for your Royal Road and Spread (though there was never any reason to remove these without simply playing them). It still exists today even though the reason for its existence is gone, when it literally cannot be used to a player's benefit ever, barring some glitch I don't know about. But, Undraw is an example of them working to make a system they had -- with sometimes difficult to manage technical aspects for a layperson -- usable for both that layperson and without ripping into players that enjoyed something's fun.

[Renathras]

Yeh, rather than having Physis as a standard HOT,

I know I harp on this a lot - and I'm pretty sure it's one of the things we agree on - but it's an absolute missed opportunity that SGE has literally no AOE Kardia button. It's like a no-brainer to add it, yet it's nowhere.

Worse, SGE was, instead, given these overpowered AOE oGCD heals and mitigations and even shields instead, and stuff like Pneuma. And even dumber, Kardia has a CD preventing hot-swapping it from target to target, something it DOESN'T have in PvP and has a much more engaging playstyle that way (not to mention necessary, given it has no actual heals other than Kardia effects...)

[ForsakenRoe]

I know I harp on this a lot - and I'm pretty sure it's one of the things we agree on - but it's an absolute missed opportunity that SGE has literally no AOE Kardia button. It's like a no-brainer to add it, yet it's nowhere.

Look at what WHM gets from 80-90 in terms of new actions. An upgrade for it's Glare/Holy to make them do 10 more potency, Aquaveil at 86, Lilybell at 90.

Doesn't it make perfect sense that SE would take the absolute lowest-effort route, and throw AOEKardia as a CD on SGE as the level 96 or even 100 skill? Also, making sure to make it not be part of the gameplay of the class, but just a standard bland CD with no other interactivity beyond 'press it and then wait for it to be back in 2mins'