Why are there no multi-hit skills on Sage?

[BowWow]

Yes, Dream hits three times, as it's tooltip would imply. But Carve, despite also saying 'threefold attack', only has one damage instance. I expect it's because they didn't want to deal with 'if it does 3 damage instances it'll cause 3 instances of MP restore', since Dream's only effect is 'do damage'

Only the English tooltip says Carve and Spit is a threefold attack. Thanks, English localization. Then again, I do not know if the 3.X FR/DE/JP tooltips also said threefold attack. haha

Blue Mage's Tingle works on every individual hit on Triple Trident (i.e. 100 potency is added to every hit), so it should not be that hard for the developers to program Kardia to work like Tingle. Like others have said, making Kardia an interesting gimmick would be great.

[IceBlueNinja]

While I get the need for making kardia more interactive and want that, sch fairy aint even aint doing much more than spamming hots, the sch can shield/strat and heal even without the help of the fairy which I also notice sch dont have a hot spell until sacred soil trait at 76 . Also the fact that ast/whm are regen healers yet their regens is for a limited time while fairy is constantly spamming heal over time makes me wonder this silly regen/shield healer crazyness or job differences. Ast honestly is the only one that clearly show with their cards what their job is some what different than whm/sage/sch, was even more so in stormblood not counting however that its healing kit is still mostly whm and use to sch with stances in sb. Back on topic both kardia and fairy needs to be totally reworked to make them appealing. On that side note just simply making soteria do aoe kardia heal for a short duration may suffice me.

[Supersnow845]

^SCH gets whispering dawn at 20, not sure how you missed that

[IceBlueNinja]

^SCH gets whispering dawn at 20, not sure how you missed that

Sage has physis but I do not have to wait for a pixie to stop casting embrace to use whispering dawn is why I did not mention whispering dawn not that I dont remember about it and if the pet is gone via that clunk dispate skill can whispering be used? Do you always have to reply to everything to defend your precious sch that is the least played healer even though its so called op of the 4 healers? Jesus christ.

Point is people act as if the fairy does anything different from kardia other than it will hot heal any person whos injured which is more annoying as I rather all the heals is going to tank instead unless its a situation of unavoidable big aoes which easily is handled by a physis 2 ixochole and kerachole. Both pixie and kardia is lack luster and needs rework like ast dull cards.

[Post]

I agree the Faerie is lackluster. It used to do more but they removed stuff, chiefly Embrace is far weaker, Selene's actions are all gone, and you can't command the Faerie who to heal and while you're casting, but secondarily you can't deploy from her, have get draw aggro and Fey Union depends on your range to the target, not your Faerie's for some reason.

I also think that their shield/pure healer split is silly, especially because SGE+SCH often works way better than pure+shield, and especially better than WHM+AST currently.

But, the Faerie being boring doesn't mean that Kardia has to be. Just the fact that the comparison between the two is so readily drawn is evidence that the jobs are too similar.

SGE and SCH (and really, all healers) should be in a state that an interesting idea on one doesn't mean that another needs or gets it too.

I'm convinced that if all the healers were designed for the first time in EW, WHM wouldn't have a stun on Holy, Cure III, free cure, damage on Assize, Thin Air or direct Dia damage, SCH wouldn't have Catalyze, Deployment Tactics, Chain Strategem, Dissipation or Energy Drain, AST wouldn't have any cards at all (probably would have something like Divination), Enhanced Benefic II, Neutral Sect would not apply shields and Collective wouldn't be channeled, and SGE certainly wouldn't have Enhanced Eukrasian Diagnosis.

[Renathras]

Multi-hit healing does already exist.



So it's not like they have to invent it specifically for SGE.

Wait, this is a thing? Is it different or...hm, I used it on a target dummy and only got two red numbers, and one was small so I figured the auto-attack for starting combat. Or is it SPECIFICALLY the Bloodbath effect? Hm...

I swear, this game's about as consistent as school cafeteria custard with some of the most simple things

I still don't understand why Passage of Arms, Sacred Soil, and Temperance all word their damage reduction differently:

PoA: "...in which party members will only suffer 85% of all damage inflicted."
Temp: ...reducing damage taken by self and all party members within a radius of 50 yalms by 10%."
Soil: "...only suffer 90% of all damage inflicted."

For the longest time, I thought this was relevant (like how Ability and Spell mean different things), but everyone I've ever asked, including the "experts" like Balance people, say it's the same effect. I thought maybe one goes before other damage calculations, or one is additive somehow vs multiplicative, or...something. But it seems not.
...probably.

Since I've never seen an official Dev answer, it's all based on guesswork, so there could be some difference, but if there is, no idea what it might be.

While I get the need for making kardia more interactive and want that, sch fairy aint even aint doing much more than spamming hots,...

As much as people say this, I don't know if it's the right way to look at it. I don't know the numbers but my Eos heals me for...I dunno, something like 5k (7k crits) while my Physic does around 13k non-crit. So it does around 40% of a basic Cure spell. Regen does like 7k per tick (but costs a GCD and, in theory, some MP, and doesn't adjust to heal different targets). I dunno, just seems...different to me.

Do you always have to reply to everything to defend your precious sch that is the least played healer even though its so called op of the 4 healers?

While I get your frustration, from all the numbers we have access to, AST is the least played healer, not SCH. And SCH is more played than SGE in the JP region, so the two are somewhat comparable from the available data.

I also think that their shield/pure healer split is silly, especially because SGE+SCH often works way better than pure+shield, and especially better than WHM+AST currently.

The biggest problem is that they make all the healers where they can solo heal (most) things, which means SCH and SGE have a lot of pure healing capability, even if it's sometimes wrapped in CDs or resource use. So this means you don't HAVE to bring an AST or WHM to any content, even high end content, as one of your healers. And mitigation is, all things being equal, always better than raw healing anyway since barriers and percent damage reductions effectively can "heal" people to greater than 100% HP. And encounters have a ton of mitigation checks these days, but no/few raw healing checks. In fact, I'm not sure of any in EW (maybe P3S, though I didn't play that fight, and it could be LB'd through as I understand it?). Everything that could be a healing check (like ZodEx's Styx) can be dealt with through mitigation/barriers as well. The only time this is relevant is stuff like the HP to 1 Dooms (and SCH and SGE together have enough healing to deal with those; sure a WHM can maybe solo them with Plenary Cure3 spam, but SCH and SGE can still deal with the problem without a WHM or AST in the party), and they've not used those lately anyway.

The final nail in the coffin? Neutral Sect and Collective Unconscious. These allow AST to shoe-horn in as a barrier healer for short periods of time anyway. This means that any division between "Pure Healers" and "Barrier Healers" is already broken, even if the above argument that SCH and SGE have sufficient raw healing and that mitigation and barriers are always better than raw healing anyway, WEREN'T true.

They'd either need to cut SCH and SGE's actual healing to 50% (or less) of what it is (or make it where they HAVE to use GCDs to do it and can't do all that with oGCDs), or they'd need to make non-mitigable healing checks. Outside of doing something like that, Pure is never needed, so the Pure/Barrier split just doesn't work. And then AST completely takes a sledgehammer to it from the other side anyway.

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It was an experiment.

It utterly failed, between encounter design and Job design.

It needs to be reverted to something that encounters and Job design does work with, or one, the other, or both of encounters and Job designs has to be shifted (a lot) to make it work (as I say, SCH and SGE would need their actual healing output roughly halved before you "need" a WHM or AST, and that STILL may not be enough...) At which point it is reasonable to ask if the goal is worth it.

...granted, even at half healing, SCH and SGE could still solo-heal 4 mans and casual stuff fine, but it would need to be something that level of drastic to salvage the experiment.

[Supersnow845]

Sage has physis but I do not have to wait for a pixie to stop casting embrace to use whispering dawn is why I did not mention whispering dawn not that I dont remember about it and if the pet is gone via that clunk dispate skill can whispering be used? Do you always have to reply to everything to defend your precious sch that is the least played healer even though its so called op of the 4 healers? Jesus christ.

Point is people act as if the fairy does anything different from kardia other than it will hot heal any person whos injured which is more annoying as I rather all the heals is going to tank instead unless its a situation of unavoidable big aoes which easily is handled by a physis 2 ixochole and kerachole. Both pixie and kardia is lack luster and needs rework like ast dull cards.

For someone who is so convinced that SGE is so much better based on your signature you sure do make a lot of wrong statements about SCH/SGE, if you don’t want people to make comments about how you are wrong about them then don’t make wrong comments

And as ren pointed out SCH is second in JP and 3rd in NA/EU so even with it having new class factor SGE is still just average

[Aravell]

Wait, this is a thing? Is it different or...hm, I used it on a target dummy and only got two red numbers, and one was small so I figured the auto-attack for starting combat. Or is it SPECIFICALLY the Bloodbath effect? Hm...

It's on both, maybe your settings are different, but it's always been like this for me.

[IceBlueNinja]

For someone who is so convinced that SGE is so much better based on your signature you sure do make a lot of wrong statements about SCH/SGE, if you don’t want people to make comments about how you are wrong about them then don’t make wrong comments

And as ren pointed out SCH is second in JP and 3rd in NA/EU so even with it having new class factor SGE is still just average

Ok played alot in japan played less on america so your point is invalid, oh now you wanna agree with Ren for once cause he said something that you actually like harhar, yet then at one point your always chewing up his points, hypocrisy at its finest. Got a problem with my signature make your own lmao, imagine being so petty complaining about people signature now.

[Supersnow845]

Ok played alot in japan played less on america so your point is invalid, oh now you wanna agree with Ren for once cause he said something that you actually like harhar, yet then at one point your always chewing up his points, hypocrisy at its finest. Got a problem with my signature make your own lmao, imagine being so petty complaining about people signature now oh what a cruel world. And anything you say about is just as wrong too.

I agree with points that are correct and disagree with points that are incorrect or I don’t personally like if they are arguments and not statements

I disagree with ren a lot because most of the time I don’t like his points or I find them flawed in some way, agreeing with him when he makes a true statement doesn’t make me a hypocrite it means that I don’t arbitrarily defend my “side” like you apparently seem to do

Not quite sure what region you play on makes any difference, SCH is not the least popular on any data centre nor is SGE the most popular on any data centre

And no I don’t make false statements about the healers because I don’t have a vendetta against any of them like you seem to have with SCH for some reason