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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Wait, this is a thing? Is it different or...hm, I used it on a target dummy and only got two red numbers, and one was small so I figured the auto-attack for starting combat. Or is it SPECIFICALLY the Bloodbath effect? Hm...
    It's on both, maybe your settings are different, but it's always been like this for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's on both, maybe your settings are different, but it's always been like this for me.

    CMIIW, but I remember they have their own chances to crit/dh/cdh too. I.e. 1st hit may do normal dmg but 2nd and 3rd can crit separately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    CMIIW, but I remember they have their own chances to crit/dh/cdh too. I.e. 1st hit may do normal dmg but 2nd and 3rd can crit separately.
    Yes, each hit is calculated separately, that's why there's damage variance and why you can get only 1 or 2 hits that crit. I can't get a picture though, because it refuses to crit for me, so I gave up.
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    AOE kardia vs physis 2 by square enix design philosophy is always going to have physis 2 win out because if it was a kardia skill it would be one less skill for diagnosis spammers to press and all healers are designed so that those people aren’t left behind

    Kardia was always going to fail as a mechanic because in order to make it interesting it would require making the healing next to impossible without doing DPS and that’s a like square is likely never going to cross
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Look at what...
    Honestly, I'd go more the Whispering Dawn route. Instead of Physis, give it an AOE Kardia on a 60 sec CD at that level. Granted, it has Prognosis where SCH doesn't have any baseline AOE heal until Succor, but...SGE also starts at level 70, so it's not like that'd be an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    AOE kardia vs physis 2...
    Thing is, you don't need that for casual content. Casual content is designed to be Medica 1 spam healed, and SGE has Prognosis that is functionally...well...identical to Medica 1. It's SLIGHTLY weaker, but not enough to matter in Sashtasha or even Aetherfont. Like, considering you can heal Aetherfont without issue with only oGCDs, I'm pretty sure you could heal it with just Diagnosis and Prognosis. As I say fairly frequently, MSQ content isn't designed to be super engaging to high end players, so there'd be no change there. High end players just actually COULD heal it with only Kardia. Which...actually might make it more engaging. I know not a LOT more engaging, but think about how many people think AST is more engaging due to Cards. And it's not like you need a LOT of abilities to do this.

    AOE Kardia: 60 sec CD, 10 sec duration, basically the next 3-4 attack spells, but that's roughly the equivalent to an AOE Cure 1.5, which is sufficient for general healing. [OR 30/6 sec respectively, half to be more like Emergency Tactics).
    Kardia 2: 60 sec CD, 6 sec duration, basically the next 2 attack spells, lets you spot heal a second target or double up on healing your tank.
    Soteria: Somewhat how it works now, though I'd cut the stacks down to 2 stacks (from 4) and the CD down to 30 sec. This should be your Durochole level healing tool and actually interact with Kardia. Think Emergency Tactics' short CD.
    Krasis changed to increasing healing effects you do by 10%. "But that's a nerf". Works with AOE Kardia and Kardia 2. "Oh...okay then". In case you need to buff up single target healing through the roof or use with your AOE healing.

    High end players could probably juggle those skills, possibly with some mitigation abilities (Tauro/Kerachole; nerf their healing but the mit is still valuable) to get their party through while maximizing damage output, but for casual players doing MSQ/roulettes, they can freely fall back on Diagnosis and Prognosis (or just go through content Diagnosis spamming) and clear the content just as well as a Cure1/Medica spamming WHM can.

    .

    I mean, YES, they could do more with it (a DPS rotation where combo actions did more healing, etc), but even just the above would make SGE functional with BOTH a Dosis + smart oGCD use AND a Diag/Prognosis spam "MSQ Jimmy Casual" playstyle. For casual content, of course.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 08-27-2023 at 02:10 AM. Reason: EDIT for typoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Honestly, I'd go more the Whispering Dawn route. Instead of Physis, give it an AOE Kardia on a 60 sec CD at that level. Granted, it has Prognosis where SCH doesn't have any baseline AOE heal until Succor, but...SGE also starts at level 70, so it's not like that'd be an issue.
    My sarcasm went undetected again, but I suppose this one was probably my fault for wording it badly. What I mean to say is, while my preferred solution would have been that AOEKardia be a thing in the current SGE kit (because it makes sense to have), I expect that SE will try to sell it to us as a 'new cool thing' next expansion. And the pessimistic tinfoil take, I guess, would be that they purposely didn't give it us now, so that they had a 'freebie' skill to slot in with Dawntrail, since they're apparently struggling for ideas on what to give SCH, it could theoretically track that they would not have too much inspiration for 'SCH 2' to work with either
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