Why are there no multi-hit skills on Sage?

[AnotherPerson]

Why are there no multi-hit skills on Sage? Sage benefits greatly from just having multi-hit skills to activate kardia multiple times in a short span of time to give some depth and breadth into the kardia system. Not to mention, multi-hit skills put less stress on having one gigantic crit variance for balance purposes by spreading the crit variance into multiple hits.

I've heard people say the game can't support multihit, but it's not as if we don't have multi-hit skills in the game either.
- Ninja's PvE skill "Dream within a dream" is an ability that attacks with multiple hits.
- Bard's PvE skill "Straight Shot" is a weaponskill that can be modified to do multi-hit with the skill Barrage.
- PvP's Bard's Empyreal Arrow is an ability that works to fire off multi-hit based on the number of stored charges.

It's already in both PvE and in PvP, and has been proven the game works with skills regardless whether they are on the global cooldown or not. What's stopping this type of implementation on Sage, a job that wants to hit as many times as possible to activate Kardia?

[ForsakenRoe]

I imagine that even if it did have multihit skills, Kardia heal triggers are worded and coded in the same way as Holy Spirit/Circle on PLD, where regardless of number of enemies hit, it only gives the heal effect once. Or Carve and Spit, which says it's a 'threefold attack' but only deals one instance of damage (and one instance of MP restore). Tooltips are weird

Regardless, if it were coded in such a way that certain skills trigger multiple blasts of Kardia, that would indeed be interesting. It'd make Soteria more interesting, at least

[SargeTheSeagull]

What Forsaken Roe said. I also think 14 could use "more multi-hit" abilities anyway. Functionally they'd work as they do now but it would feel more satisfying seeing a few flying texts pop up on abilities like dyskrasia, phantom rush or abdomen tear where it LOOKS like the enemy is taking damage from rapid hits.

[Supersnow845]

Kardia is just an undercooked mechanic in general

They would never do it because it gives a skill floor that a toddler couldn’t trip over but kardia should form the majority of the healing of SGE, if you don’t do damage you shouldn’t be able to survive on SGE

[Shurrikhan]

I'd love to see multi-hits make a difference (though that would probably require the likes of a Stagger or Armor [Penetration] undermechanic), and for the player be able to choose from among, say...

• Show each hit, fading slowly, with a separate cumulative sum
• Fade each hit into the cumulative sum
• Fade each hit without cumulative sum
• Show only the cumulative sum (one number per action)

[Doozer]

Because Kardia is like Regen, not Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting/Bloodbath. Each usage of applicable skills procs it once. I imagine even if SGE had a multi-hit attack, only the cast itself would apply a heal, not each hit.

[Supersnow845]

Because Kardia is like Regen, not Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting/Bloodbath. Each usage of applicable skills procs it once. I imagine even if SGE had a multi-hit attack, only the cast itself would apply a heal, not each hit.

What the post is saying is there is no reason why SGE couldn’t have multi bot skills to proc kardia multiple times

Like if instead of phlegma 3 being a 600 potency attack it could be 3 200 potency hits on one GCD, same damage but procs kardia 3 times, would be interesting for interaction with soteria

[Doozer]

What the post is saying is there is no reason why SGE couldn’t have multi bot skills to proc kardia multiple times

Like if instead of phlegma 3 being a 600 potency attack it could be 3 200 potency hits on one GCD, same damage but procs kardia 3 times, would be interesting for interaction with soteria

I'm not sure how what you said makes what I said any less valid. I said that Kardia procs once per skill. That's how it works, and if they add a multi-hit skill for SGE it would probably still only proc once. It doesn't work like the skills I mentioned because it's not those skills. And it shouldn't. I've never felt Kardia to be lacking, since like Regen and other skills like it, it's not meant to keep someone at full the entire time. It doesn't need to change or be more 'powerful' than it already is.

I say this as a SGE main who's been playing it since EW released with a full understanding of the job. You don't need to explain what the OP 'really' means. I read the post.

[Absurdity]

It doesn't work like the skills I mentioned because it's not those skills. And it shouldn't. I've never felt Kardia to be lacking, since like Regen and other skills like it, it's not meant to keep someone at full the entire time. It doesn't need to change or be more 'powerful' than it already is.

I guess that's just where opinions differ, I find Kardia to be extremely lacking, not necessarily it's potency but it's utilization as a mechanic.

What does Kardia currently do? It heals a single player for a single instance of 170 potency every time you cast a damage spell and it can be buffed for 4 casts with Soteria, that is literally all the interaction it has with Sage's healing kit.

What people are asking for is to make Kardia a more integral mechanic for the job, so instead of 10 different oGCDs that all "just heal by X potency" you get more options to interact with Kardia as a healing mechanic.

As an example let's say instead of Druochole's flat 600 potency healing you get a multi-hit spell that procs 3-4 instances of Kardia or instead of Ixochole you get an ability that spreads Kardia to the entire party for the next 2-3 attacks you do.

[Supersnow845]

I'm not sure how what you said makes what I said any less valid. I said that Kardia procs once per skill. That's how it works, and if they add a multi-hit skill for SGE it would probably still only proc once. It doesn't work like the skills I mentioned because it's not those skills. And it shouldn't. I've never felt Kardia to be lacking, since like Regen and other skills like it, it's not meant to keep someone at full the entire time. It doesn't need to change or be more 'powerful' than it already is.

I say this as a SGE main who's been playing it since EW released with a full understanding of the job. You don't need to explain what the OP 'really' means. I read the post.

Because you are intentionally ignoring the point of the post for a technicality

We all know how kardia works the post is saying that it would be interesting there were skills that procced kardia multiple times