People Enjoy hard Games

[CelestiCer]

I never understand why some people are so condescending towards one demographic or another. Your point could have been better received without the snarky comments. So you like to drive 180 ina 50 mile hour zone oh but wait you don't drive. You like harder content great! Hope they put some in for you, I like challenging content not necessarily harder just more of a puzzle kind.

Well... likewise? I'm more condescending towards the content and Job design direction. Not every player who desires XIV to improve is out to ruin Casual players experience when 95% of the games content is already catered to them. Even you skimmed over me mentioning that I myself don't like Hard content for the sake of making it as Hard as possible in the previous page... I just love mocking how easy they made the content. Preserving my Jobs gameplay is what I care about more yet they simplified it 7+ times over... Then when I use my main lobotomized Job into the comfy made pillowed expert roulette? Is it a surprise that I call their Dungeons " Arthritis Avenue "...

Suggesting the Skill-Ceiling to increase does not negatively impact the gameplay for anyone, it only improves the overall gameplay as its optional complexity. And at least I'm coming with suggestions... I don't see any suggestions being made by people who prefer XIV to be kept as casual as possible nor do I see them draw the line anywhere at how much more easier they want to make it... Maybe you lot want healers to have no damage skills cause god forbid WHM gets a new one at some point. And maybe Ultimate can be cleared without Tanks and Casters next time instead of Zero Healers now cause I have no idea where the line is drawn with players who want to " keep XIV as casual as possible ", mhm

[Myrany]

People enjoy easy games.

That's why Summoner, Warrior, and Dancer are some of the top most played jobs.

Summoner saw a massive boost in playability after it was reworked and made easy.

The majority has spoken.

I started the game as Summoner in Stormblood. I liked it then. Then they changed it and I lost my tanking egi and I hated it (solo player) went BLM after that. Recently started leveling the summoner again (because it annoyed me to have it open and not leveled) and I actually don't mind the form it is in now. It is not as complex but not everything needs to be complex. If I want complex BLM takes care of that. If I want an easier day Summoner works. Options in a game are not a bad thing.

[Nebelheim]

This is so true. Most of the time people pick classes because of their own personal tastes no matter if its easy or hard of if its the meta (to a certain extent on that one though).

I love playing Machinist even though its not as viable solely because I like its aesthetic. Same feeling goes to Red Mage or White Mage or Summoner. I love the class identity even though I criticize the dullness of healing and playstyle of Summoner (although it being actual summons rather than dot mage is the best direction imo and hopefullu gets expanded with 7.0

I agree I pretty much think every job is pretty fun to play. The only jobs i lost interest in was healers and tanks.

[Payadopa]

I dont enjoy hard games tho..
but i like the option to play on harder difficuilty!.

I was able to play and finish Elden Ring because it had an option to play it "easier"..
by that i mean magic build..

Games earn more by having different difficulty settings..
Because people enjoy different difficulty settings!..

That's exactly it. But strangely enough all difficulty options are normal, easy and very easy for instances. I shudder to think what very easy even means. lol

[MistakeNot]

In short, XIV is too easy, and recent commercial successes reveal there is no reason to dumb the game down to where it is today.

Some people prefer hard games, some people want easy games, and many people enjoy both hard and easy games depending on how they feel that day.
So making a hard game will make you lose one part of your potential playerbase, and making an easy game will make you lose another part of that same potential playerbase.

Comparing an MMO to single-player games is difficult. Very, very few single-player games maintain their popularity for more than a year or two - then they will slowly disappear into obscurity. MMOs on the other hand can remain popular for many years since they constantly evolve.

[Snorky]

Well... likewise? I'm more condescending towards the content and Job design direction. Not every player who desires XIV to improve is out to ruin Casual players experience when 95% of the games content is already catered to them. Even you skimmed over me mentioning that I myself don't like Hard content for the sake of making it as Hard as possible in the previous page... I just love mocking how easy they made the content. Preserving my Jobs gameplay is what I care about more yet they simplified it 7+ times over... Then when I use my main lobotomized Job into the comfy made pillowed expert roulette? Is it a surprise that I call their Dungeons " Arthritis Avenue "...

Suggesting the Skill-Ceiling to increase does not negatively impact the gameplay for anyone, it only improves the overall gameplay as its optional complexity. And at least I'm coming with suggestions... I don't see any suggestions being made by people who prefer XIV to be kept as casual as possible nor do I see them draw the line anywhere at how much more easier they want to make it... Maybe you lot want healers to have no damage skills cause god forbid WHM gets a new one at some point. And maybe Ultimate can be cleared without Tanks and Casters next time instead of Zero Healers now cause I have no idea where the line is drawn with players who want to " keep XIV as casual as possible ", mhm

Well you can get your point across without alluding to age like it's a disease. It's not it's something that WILL happen to ALL of US. Plus arthritis can be had at any age, getting older happens. I happen to be OLD and have arthritis so it particular bothers me to see people being disparaged for what they are and that goes for any demographic. Your point is lost in your harse words.

[Renathras]

[b]People Enjoy hard Games

SOME people do.

SOME people do not.

And WHAT people consider hard and enjoyable is different from person to person.

Bad controls make things needlessly hard, but few people think Superman 64 was the pinnacle of gaming.

(Also, the critics on this forum are anything BUT silent; they can hardly be considered a "silent majority" considering how insanely VOCAL they are.)

[SieyaM]

Everyone on both sides of this debate want to say they are speaking for the silent majority, and really I don't think any of them are right about that. Most people seem to be enjoying what the game is and while they may want something more challenging or maybe even easier, they also realize they weren't sold a game that is promising white knuckle difficulty or even complex strategy. We are all being sold a online narrative driven game and that's what we got, the rest is just kind of extra bits.

[CelestiCer]

Well you can get your point across without alluding to age like it's a disease. It's not it's something that WILL happen to ALL of US. Plus arthritis can be had at any age, getting older happens. I happen to be OLD and have arthritis so it particular bothers me to see people being disparaged for what they are and that goes for any demographic. Your point is lost in your harse words.

Never have I said anything to be a disease in this game... I myself suffer from " Arthritis ", though I don't act the victim through being offended by a post to try and vilify another. I prefer to mock the content both with a joke and treating it in-game as child's play, which I find satisfying to do. Age is not a disease no I agree, and I never said it was? Yet you twist my words or misinterpret my delivery willingly...

Either way, I shared my suggestions yet you don't counter my points with anything. Rather you admit to want to dismiss them based purely on how its conveyed. I'm all ears if you have any better suggestions then lifting the Skill-Ceiling without changing the Skill-Floor regarding job design to improve XIV's gameplay. I value the gameplay of my Job, yet after it being simplified 7 times over and Square showing no sign of stopping with more Job simplifications? You'll have to excuse the harsh tone you might read from my sentences... mhm.

[Rolder50]

I started the game as Summoner in Stormblood. I liked it then. Then they changed it and I lost my tanking egi and I hated it (solo player) went BLM after that. Recently started leveling the summoner again (because it annoyed me to have it open and not leveled) and I actually don't mind the form it is in now. It is not as complex but not everything needs to be complex. If I want complex BLM takes care of that. If I want an easier day Summoner works. Options in a game are not a bad thing.

The problem is they keep removing complex jobs and we are almost at the point where we don't have any complex jobs at all. Except BLM, because that's Yoshi-Ps main and gets preferential treatment, of course.