Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[RaenMan]

TLDR: No, the dev just dont care and want money. Thats all. Does not matter how we present any critique. They gave up on games and just want money with the least amount of effort. No, this is not a critique on money making, its the "only money nothing else" whats creating a problem for me.

I think more people really need to understand this. At the end of the day SE is a business. But they're not gonna change if you just keep subbing despite your grievances. Maybe you leaving won't change anything, but why does it have to be about that? If you (not specifically you Banriikku) are so dejected by the game than that alone is enough reason to unsub. Why give your money to something that isn't giving you your money's worth? Giving feedback is one thing, but it's not my job to spend years sitting on the forums trying to give feedback to a dev that isn't even listening.

There are plenty of far better games out there that I could give my time and money to instead right now. I think some people, particularly MMO players due to sunk-cost-fallacy from paying a subscription fee for so many years and being invested in their characters, get way too emotionally attached to game and that becomes their reason for staying, and gradually they become jaded and some turn toxic. It's a video game at the end of the day, and at a certain point you really just need to step back and ask yourself if this is really worth your continued time and money.

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Just proving my point by how you're acting. They haven't listened to you for the past however many years, I don't know what exactly you're attempting to accomplish at this point. Many of you have even ADMITTED that you know they aren't listening. So why do you come here? Other than to cope and farm likes. I think you're just mad and come here to vent your frustrations. At that point, yeah, you are just wasting your time and money. Or if you do in fact think they devs are listening to this place, than insulting other posters, and the devs, is the exact opposite of what you should do, you're only ensuring nobody will listen to you ever. But if it makes you feel better than by all means, it's your $15/month.

[Banriikku]

I think more people really need to understand this. At the end of the day SE is a business. But they're not gonna change if you just keep subbing despite your grievances. Maybe you leaving won't change anything, but why does it have to be about that? If you (not specifically you Banriikku) are so dejected by the game than that alone is enough reason to unsub. Why give your money to something that isn't giving you your money's worth? Giving feedback is one thing, but it's not my job to spend years sitting on the forums trying to give feedback to a dev that isn't even listening.

There are plenty of far better games out there that I could give my time and money to instead right now. I think some people, particularly MMO players due to sunk-cost-fallacy from paying a subscription fee for so many years and being invested in their characters, get way too emotionally attached to game and that becomes their reason for staying, and gradually they become jaded and some turn toxic. It's a video game at the end of the day, and at a certain point you really just need to step back and ask yourself if this is really worth your continued time and money.

Hmmm... i think you are going too far with "dejected" and "too emotionally attached". You let it look like a buisness transaction without emotion but thats not how a hobby works.
Sooo... how do you go with youre hobby without or less emotions ? Eitherway you are reading too much into it or you are disconnected from reallity.

Better games ? Subjective and depends on what you want. I want a FF MMO and F14 is the closest thing to this. I gave feedback like many other but most of the time we get back " we heard you" or silence. After a looooong wait, we got then some halfbacked features and even absolute tone deaf things and very fishy excuses and/or PR sentiments. Lets be honest youre argument is the same as "no fun ? unsub..hur dur.." just more polite. So some of us or just me, i dont know, are just disappointed in the ignorance and disrespect form other players and the devs alike. Sure we have some people that are absolute doom but on the other hand we have the shiny corporate protectors... so i think its balanced as it should be- Thanos meme here pls.

If you think youre point i valid lets have look the other way around.
HOT_TAKE: If youre fine with the game you should not be on the forum in topics for critique or the forum itself because it is all fine and no feedback necessary. You should only sing praise, be logged in the game and pay for the mogstation. At a certain point you need to aks yourself are these people worth it ..... you could be logged in and playing the critical acclaimed... i stop here.
Sounds bad and absolute bonkers or not ?

[SophiaDL]

Hmmm... i think you are going too far with "dejected" and "too emotionally attached". You let it look like a buisness transaction without emotion but thats not how a hobby works.
Sooo... how do you go with youre hobby without or less emotions ? Eitherway you are reading too much into it or you are disconnected from reallity.

Better games ? Subjective and depends on what you want. I want a FF MMO and F14 is the closest thing to this. I gave feedback like many other but most of the time we get back " we heard you" or silence. After a looooong wait, we got then some halfbacked features and even absolute tone deaf things and very fishy excuses and/or PR sentiments. Lets be honest youre argument is the same as "no fun ? unsub..hur dur.." just more polite. So some of us or just me, i dont know, are just disappointed in the ignorance and disrespect form other players and the devs alike. Sure we have some people that are absolute doom but on the other hand we have the shiny corporate protectors... so i think its balanced as it should be- Thanos meme here pls.

If you think youre point i valid lets have look the other way around.
HOT_TAKE: If youre fine with the game you should not be on the forum in topics for critique or the forum itself because it is all fine and no feedback necessary. You should only sing praise, be logged in the game and pay for the mogstation. At a certain point you need to aks yourself are these people worth it ..... you could be logged in and playing the critical acclaimed... i stop here.
Sounds bad and absolute bonkers or not ?

this tbh, all of this, what a W take

[Xaruko_Nexume]

HOT_TAKE: If youre fine with the game you should not be on the forum in topics for critique or the forum itself because it is all fine and no feedback necessary. You should only sing praise, be logged in the game and pay for the mogstation. At a certain point you need to aks yourself are these people worth it ..... you could be logged in and playing the critical acclaimed... i stop here.
Sounds bad and absolute bonkers or not ?

Honestly, I dont disagree with this. The vast majority of my posts here are made only at times and places when I have Internet access but can't necessarily play the game. Otherwise, I would be, you know, playing the game. I disagree a bit with "no feedback is necessary" just because one is enjoying the game. I think it is important to let the developers of my favorite hobby know what I love and what I dont, and that they are appreciated, especially with all the hate, threats, and vitriol game devs have to endure from their community. I also understand this an English forum and its unlikely that my praises (or complaints for that matter) will ever even be seen by anyone of importance.

The forums are, after all, just something to do when I cant play the game.

[Snorky]

Honestly, I dont disagree with this. The vast majority of my posts here are made only at times and places when I have Internet access but can't necessarily play the game. Otherwise, I would be, you know, playing the game. I disagree a bit with "no feedback is necessary" just because one is enjoying the game. I think it is important to let the developers of my favorite hobby know what I love and what I dont, and that they are appreciated, especially with all the hate, threats, and vitriol game devs have to endure from their community. I also understand this an English forum and its unlikely that my praises (or complaints for that matter) will ever even be seen by anyone of importance.

The forums are, after all, just something to do when I cant play the game.

I agree with you, I don't agree with the person whose post you quoted entirely, because it's the same in reverse. Meaning white knight if you are positive shouldn't be posting... Hur dur... The forums are for communications good or bad but as always some people take it too far in either direction. I like reading a healthy conversation or someone who exchanges ideas good or bad. What I don't like are insults because you have an opinion that differs front the herd.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This aint what goes on here, did you even read his post ?



Actually rare Zephyr L take right there, same for the rest of their post, they're just unhinged, let alone the tags they posted on this thread that they just removed because I called it out, insulting Macchiato with the P word.

Also hi Pratini/Raenman, using double accounts I see ? That's agaisnt the rules per your own post from an hour or so ago.

I do want to clarify that I never think in absolutes. While I think some posters are here only for drama and may have an unhealthy attachment to the forums (with a certain such poster even saying this themselves), I don't think any critique of the game is for that reason. Lots of people are here to voice concerns they are sincere about, so it would be an unfair dismissal of such people that generally are here to discuss the game and provide feedback.

If I wanted universal praise only, I'd be on the reddit that I personally can't stand lol.

[Deo14]

Honestly, I dont disagree with this. The vast majority of my posts here are made only at times and places when I have Internet access but can't necessarily play the game. Otherwise, I would be, you know, playing the game. I disagree a bit with "no feedback is necessary" just because one is enjoying the game. I think it is important to let the developers of my favorite hobby know what I love and what I dont, and that they are appreciated, especially with all the hate, threats, and vitriol game devs have to endure from their community. I also understand this an English forum and its unlikely that my praises (or complaints for that matter) will ever even be seen by anyone of importance.

The forums are, after all, just something to do when I cant play the game.

If there's none to little negative feedback about X or Y, but no positive feedback either, then devs need to deduct that people are, in fact, happy with X or Y, since they're too busy playing it. If there is neither negative or positive feedback, then reception is likely good.

Of course it's not that straightforward, they need to make sure participation is there and so on, but in essence, that's about it. Most people don't come here to say what they like, they come here because some negative experience they had.

[Xeronia]

Okay I will bite, I personally find Endwalker a horribly boring expansion and see they took gambles on new content that didn't pay off as well as previous expansions ideas did in terms of longevity and that really worries me. I don't need the game to have endless grinds mind you but content lasting for more then 2 weeks would be great. I feel this is where exploratory zones really did well, yes you would get your relic step done in a few days but there was still plenty of reason to be in the zones outside of that thanks to lockboxes, the farmable fragments for actions, and the armor sets for glam via currency. I understand people may not have liked them but I think it is a bit hard to deny they added way more to the game then the current Manderville relics do.

I also am well noted on my opinion of I want Endwalker's story over already as a whole. I find the void story utterly boring and lacking characters who should logically be involved and 6.0 wasn't that much of a winner to me either in how badly it framed the cause of the Sundering.

Now that isn't me saying I am fully jaded and don't enjoy my time in the game, I just question a ton of the recent choices. I still enjoy what content there is, it is just a tad short, unrewarding, and the storytelling is a bit bland. For example I am excited to see moogle tomestone rewards are rather good this time around and a raid boss turned mount is not instantly on the store for The Rising event. However as happy as I am about that it hasn't excused the past several months of "Well guess I will just log in to save my house and go play x instead" to me.

[Snorky]

Okay I will bite, I personally find Endwalker a horribly boring expansion and see they took gambles on new content that didn't pay off as well as previous expansions ideas did in terms of longevity and that really worries me. I don't need the game to have endless grinds mind you but content lasting for more then 2 weeks would be great. I feel this is where exploratory zones really did well, yes you would get your relic step done in a few days but there was still plenty of reason to be in the zones outside of that thanks to lockboxes, the farmable fragments for actions, and the armor sets for glam via currency. I understand people may not have liked them but I think it is a bit hard to deny they added way more to the game then the current Manderville relics do.

I also am well noted on my opinion of I want Endwalker's story over already as a whole. I find the void story utterly boring and lacking characters who should logically be involved and 6.0 wasn't that much of a winner to me either in how badly it framed the cause of the Sundering.

Now that isn't me saying I am fully jaded and don't enjoy my time in the game, I just question a ton of the recent choices. I still enjoy what content there is, it is just a tad short, unrewarding, and the storytelling is a bit bland. For example I am excited to see moogle tomestone rewards are rather good this time around and a raid boss turned mount is not instantly on the store for The Rising event. However as happy as I am about that it hasn't excused the past several months of "Well guess I will just log in to save my house and go play x instead" to me.

I can get on board with this criticism (well done) I agree I don't care for the storyline of the void and agree endwalker story was a bit of a let down for me. I didn't hate it but I don't know something was missing for me. I find so much to do in game though. For me it's a journey not a sprint. I am at the point in my life that I don't have time for the negative anymore. When I get tired I will take a break and come back happy again. I took almost a year break from playing this last time. So no biggie just a refresh.

[Xeronia]

I can get on board with this criticism (well done) I agree I don't care for the storyline of the void and agree endwalker story was a bit of a let down for me. I didn't hate it but I don't know something was missing for me. I find so much to do in game though. For me it's a journey not a sprint. I am at the point in my life that I don't have time for the negative anymore. When I get tired I will take a break and come back happy again. I took almost a year break from playing this last time. So no biggie just a refresh.

You see I understand that but I also have done most long term things I wished to do because I have been here since HW, I did most of what people would recommend when it was current. I personally took up doing the Splenderous Tools and making gil for the materia I will inevitably blow up next expansion. (I have had a slot eat 72 materia before, I know my luck is awful with overmelding.) I will however note one of these is a personal objective and the other is a grind that basically boils down to several macro crafts and hours of gathering. I am not too put off by that myself but I would also struggle to say it is an improvement of say Ishgardian Restoration.