Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[SaberMaxwell]

No Storm/Koros/Night?

I was genuinely curious to see their responses.

Rosalia is Storm so you got one at least.

[DiaDeem]

Rosalia is Storm so you got one at least.

Oh, alright. I guess I never realized they were a housing/social player. I know plenty of people like that.

The one thing I've never understood about Storm is why they seem so confrontational/antagonistic to even the most chill of posts such as what OP did here.
It's fine to be angry with the game, the devs, and even confrontational "white knights" or whatever you wanna call them, but to chill posts or reasonable people? Dunno... seems to stifle the chance of any productive conversation.

[Shurrikhan]

Oh, alright. I guess I never realized they were a housing/social player. I know plenty of people like that.

The one thing I've never understood about Storm is why they seem so confrontational/antagonistic to even the most chill of posts such as what OP did here.
It's fine to be angry with the game, the devs, and even confrontational "white knights" or whatever you wanna call them, but to chill posts or reasonable people? Dunno... seems to stifle the chance of any productive conversation.

It's a matter of implication. Especially given recent threads (that have repeatedly asked players critical of the game to defend their right to/rationale for still playing it), it's hard not to read some "If you don't like X, why don't you just quit altogether?(!)" energy from the OP at a glance (especially if you're someone repeatedly called out just for being a "frequent negative poster"), even if one would normally assume from the post's style that such probably isn't the fairest take on his intent.

I agree with your conclusion that it doesn't help the discourse to react that way, but at the same time, that reaction doesn't seem unreasonable in/from this context.

Because feedback isn't always negative.

If people only speak up about the things they dislike, and not the things they do like, they might change something on the false impression that nobody is happy with it in its current state.

Efficient feedback tends, at its core, to be negative, since those are the parts that warrant some sort of analysis or call to action. But it also tends to make suggestions that can be readily visualized, which in turn often depends on juxtoposing the good with the bad in order to illustrate what is bad and/or why.

Only when why X works is worth debating do we tend to focus directly on the positive for a time, and even that's usually in the interest of providing guidelines that will ultimately correct or preclude what the community thinks could use improvement.

That feedback includes little reference to what is good or has worked isn't typically a sign of neglect or bias so much as simply...

• that there are few examples already existing in-game that could be successfully copied over or seem likely able to be built up from compared to more general or from-scratch examples (or the poster is hoping for a more imaginative/contextualized approach and doesn't want to prompt yet another Monkey's Paw outcome or further stagnancy by relying on those past examples),
• that the poster simply isn't putting that much time into the details of their suggestion (such as because they don't think it's their place to do the design-work for the devs, only to evaluate what has been given, because the concrete designs simply aren't their forte or could inadvertently give a false impression, the issue is too fundamental for concrete examples to be of much use, or because they just don't have the time/interest at that moment),
• etc.

[DiaDeem]

It's a matter of implication. Especially given recent threads (that have repeatedly asked players critical of the game to defend their right to/rationale for still playing it), it's hard not to read some "If you don't like X, why don't you just quit altogether?(!)" energy from the OP at a glance (especially if you're someone repeatedly called out just for being a "frequent negative poster"), even if one would normally assume from the post's style that such probably isn't the fairest take on his intent.

I agree with your conclusion that it doesn't help the discourse to react that way, but at the same time, that reaction doesn't seem unreasonable in/from this context.

Sure, that's fair.

I will say: OP came as rather reasonable to me, and Storm always seems a bit confrontational no matter what, but given how hard it is to find good faith posts in the forum... yeah, I can't say I don't get it.

[SophiaDL]

Sure, that's fair.

I will say: OP came as rather reasonable to me, and Storm always seems a bit confrontational no matter what, but given how hard it is to find good faith posts in the forum... yeah, I can't say I don't get it.

That's what happens when you eventually get tired of the typical "just unsub surely it'll make a difference if everyone unsubs !" No it wont, thanks to the mogstation. All they have to do is up prices, sell a bit more (which they already started doing, look at how recurrent the new mogstation stuff is, more and more lately), and it covers the lost subs, if its a big disaster, sell some graha tia plushies eating a taco for $500 a pop, and the bank is full again.

[Jojoya]

How many of you have gone through life only getting negative feedback from others?

Or have you also received positive feedback so you know the things you've done well and should continue doing while balancing that against the areas where some improvement may be needed?

The devs are just as human as the rest of us. They need the positive feedback just as much as the negative. They need to know what players like just as much as they need to know what players feel needs to be improved.

That doesn't mean something positive has to be said every time something negative is brought up. But if you enjoy the game enough to continue subscribing, at least give some credit to what is keeping you logging in. Let the devs know that you do appreciate their efforts even if things are not perfect.

Feedback needs to be constructive, whether positive or negative, if it's going to be helpful in improving the game. When you resort to using hyperbole, derogatory words and insults directed at the devs or other players, you're undermining yourself. Those reading can't help but doubt the reasons you are posting.

If you feel like no one is listening, consider the possibility that the way feedback is being presented is causing the developers to tune it out. It's a rare person that's going to care about what someone says if that person comes across as nothing but hostile.

[Supersnow845]

How many of you have gone through life only getting negative feedback from others?

Or have you also received positive feedback so you know the things you've done well and should continue doing while balancing that against the areas where some improvement may be needed?

The devs are just as human as the rest of us. They need the positive feedback just as much as the negative. They need to know what players like just as much as they need to know what players feel needs to be improved.

That doesn't mean something positive has to be said every time something negative is brought up. But if you enjoy the game enough to continue subscribing, at least give some credit to what is keeping you logging in. Let the devs know that you do appreciate their efforts even if things are not perfect.

Feedback needs to be constructive, whether positive or negative, if it's going to be helpful in improving the game. When you resort to using hyperbole, derogatory words and insults directed at the devs or other players, you're undermining yourself. Those reading can't help but doubt the reasons you are posting.

If you feel like no one is listening, consider the possibility that the way feedback is being presented is causing the developers to tune it out. It's a rare person that's going to care about what someone says if that person comes across as nothing but hostile.

What has square done in the last (when was EO released again…….) 8 months that’s worthy of praise and I’m being generous with EO

I’ve played this game since legacy so I do things on patch, I’m not going to come here and fawn over 6 year old content in my backlog

Release something worthy of praise and I’ll praise it

[ZephyrMenodora]

How many of you have gone through life only getting negative feedback from others?

Or have you also received positive feedback so you know the things you've done well and should continue doing while balancing that against the areas where some improvement may be needed?

The devs are just as human as the rest of us. They need the positive feedback just as much as the negative. They need to know what players like just as much as they need to know what players feel needs to be improved.

That doesn't mean something positive has to be said every time something negative is brought up. But if you enjoy the game enough to continue subscribing, at least give some credit to what is keeping you logging in. Let the devs know that you do appreciate their efforts even if things are not perfect.

Feedback needs to be constructive, whether positive or negative, if it's going to be helpful in improving the game. When you resort to using hyperbole, derogatory words and insults directed at the devs or other players, you're undermining yourself. Those reading can't help but doubt the reasons you are posting.

If you feel like no one is listening, consider the possibility that the way feedback is being presented is causing the developers to tune it out. It's a rare person that's going to care about what someone says if that person comes across as nothing but hostile.

A lot of companies have policies for devs not to directly interact with players. Nothing good comes of it in communities as toxic as this one. If I was a dev and saw how people act here I’d stay far away. When people are rude and entitled they aren’t owned the devs time.

[LittleImp]

Feedback needs to be constructive, whether positive or negative, if it's going to be helpful in improving the game. When you resort to using hyperbole, derogatory words and insults directed at the devs or other players, you're undermining yourself. Those reading can't help but doubt the reasons you are posting.

I don't really agree with the notion that all feedback needs to be constructive to be valuable. Sentiment is still pretty valuable on its own, and it's frequently going to be the role of the professional to contextualize customer sentiment, positive or negative.

Getting messages from customers that are just blocks of insults and profanity isn't that uncommon if you are designing consumer grade software, and the stuff I've seen at my job is 1 million times worse worse than the types of criticisms that appear on these forums (almost all of the 'negative' posts here could very easily be characterized as constructive btw). It is hard to convey just how mild the types of negativity on these boards really are. Absolutely no developer in my company is even remotely phased by stuff way more deranged than what gets posted here, and I seriously seriously doubt anyone in CBU3 really feels upset about the content of these forums. The notion of a developer in a corporate setting ignoring feedback because it hurts their feelings is legitimately beyond absurd.

CBU3's handling of customer feedback is worthy of criticism. FWIW, they aren't really listening to JP that much either, as parts of the JP community have also been pretty vocal about a lot of the exact same grievances players in NA have. When customers in two fairly separate regions with a major language barrier both have the same exact complaints about certain systems, it really tends to say something.

[Snorky]

I try to be positive most of the time because I believe that if you put out positive it comes back to you. That said, I have been posting on and off here for years. Sometimes I don't post for years that said there is a subset of people here who are just plain negative. Negative criticism has a place as well as positive criticism. Seems to me though that as soon as you have something positive to say you get jumped on and called a white knight. I can tell many of the negative posters have never written a company memo and if they have I wonder how many employees they caused to leave? Criticism is fine said in the proper manner. Some of the posters hide behind the facade that by being negative all the time ,they actually care about this game when in actuality they are projecting how unhappy they are with their own lives.

But they don't want to hear that and so they continue to be snarky to others for having a different view point. Then there are the trolls whole other subject. That's why this forum is in desperate need of moderation. OP I can't really answer your question properly because I enjoy my time playing this game. I can only give you my view point.