Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[Nero-Voidstails]

I fed this troll Roe, everyone feeds this troll Roe. This is a person who actually said "Stormblood is a white savior narrative".

If SE actually did something about lingering issues year after year, people wouldn't have to "rehash the same 5 conversations again" try telling Viera and Hrotgar players "Oh stop complaining, you're just rehashing the same old argument of not having hats for years on end! > "

we should make a movie about him! call the roe of vengeance!

[Gunz_Zbestest]

This was a very good read.
I think the players who raid in the current tier, spend hours learning and mastering their class with a very fine detail and that comes with a sense of accomplishment that probably feels erased or diminished every time a change comes along.
Some people hate change more than others.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm not one of those negative posters but outside of a couple of examples I believe most of them truly do love the game. They have some things that they're unhappy with so they're voicing that opinion. There are one or two where I do think they may be making themselves miserable and really might need at least a break so they can get away, do something positive, and come back with a different mindset. Or find they enjoyed their time away and choose not to come back at all. Sometimes we as gamers get to that point where a game just isn't what we want anymore and feedback is good, but so is knowing when to walk away.

I think most of the conflict with other posters is that many times they can't help but attack others for not sharing their opinion. You can see it in this thread. Someone enjoys the grind of the MSQ and gets something of value from that type of content. Someone does not enjoy the different grind of Eureka or Bozja. Or vice versa. These ideas don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. And we shouldn't discount someone's opinion just because it's different than our own. But we do with words like simp, or white knight, or doomposter, or implying those happy/upset have inferior standards to person giving their opinion, or any other terms used to devalue the opinion of someone on the "other side".

So I really think a lot of the problems are that it's been very hard to recognize that we all care for the game and want to have fun in it, but our ideas of fun are different and what appeals to someone may not appeal to others. And that's perfectly fine. We can debate the finer points without attacking each other.

[caffe_macchiato]

the usual

Someday, when your friends and groups have all left the game and you're all alone, you'll understand why people here are urging Square Enix to fix things. You will someday go through what the rest of us already have. Long-time players are leaving and are being replaced with rose-tinted-glasses sprouts that burn through the single-player content and then drop the game themselves. As Lucky Bancho shows, there's a lot of churn. The suits at Square Enix love that. People? Who cares about people? It's not like we're used as anything other than a vending machine for money, right?

In its modern (and mutilated) incarnation, FFXIV is still great at one thing: being far easier to use than Second Life and VRchat. The posing capabilities, which allow you to make detailed screenshots and animations, are second to none. The community is great too, in that it actually exists and is not dead unlike SL and VRchat. And everyone's put together in one world, unlike Discords which are splintered and don't even offer a 3D realm to play around in. Once you go to Balmung's Ul'dah, you'll find the real reason why people stick with FFXIV. It's not the content that Square Enix gave us that makes FFXIV special, but the power vacuum that allows us to turn FFXIV into whatever we want. And once you've gotten into "the scene", you'll realize that no multiplayer game, not even Second Life, has the robustness of FFXIV's toolkit and APIs.

Now if only FFXIV was an actual video game instead

[Mcg55ss]

I think one of the disappointing things about this game coming from a wow background is how it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day. I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole. In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job, there are forums (and forums for beta builds) as well as high level avenues to provide feedback. And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

I don’t see that in this game and personally, I don’t like it. So maybe it’s a bit of an overreaction but I prefer not to take chances.

As someone else who came from WoW maybe you just haven't found it yet. While this game doesn't have talents or the forums it does have multiple discord set up that has plenty of community interaction. Balance discord is the one when looking for best in slot, how to gem, rotations so on now there is no talents in this game so you won't have that here. Most servers have a server dc discord, even Dynamis more people are posting like hunt trains, fate events, the rare spawns that dropped the pieces for the mounts and so on. Now where square gets most their feedback who knows they do take ideas from the forumss every once in awhile as Dixie pointed out I believe something coming up this next expansion was a forum request but majority who knows.

[Rithy255]

negative posts are fine, people who complain don't always "hate" the game they just want better for the game zzz.
I rather people complain and be vocal then silent and accept everything for what it is, a lot of people feel negative towards certain things such as The lack of actual balancing, with instead of trying to make each job feel unique but also balanced, each job just plays the same, people feel negative towards the lack of content and having to wait likely a year for anything new soon, Most people want to play ff14 not "go play something else lol".

Let people be negative and let people be positive it's a good thing that everyone can share what concerns them about the current game.

[SomeGuy22]

I really appreciate your thread, OP, it's nice to see a post promoting actual discussion between the parties. While I mostly lurk, most of my posts here are negative in nature.

Do you overall dislike the game?

Of course not, I wouldn't be here if I did. But I do feel that every single change the devs push I love it a little bit less.

What do you still enjoy about the game?

The music, glam, BLU, and some of the fights. Frontlines is some welcome chaotic fun too.

Why the frequent focus on negative aspects?

Because, as of now, I feel stronger about the negative aspects than the positive ones.

If I'm having a blast with a game, I'll just... play it. Last thing on my mind is going to be creating an account on the official forums just to give the devs a thumbs up, y'know? Hell, I only started checking this place out to see if I was alone in my dislike of the MNK rework, and was surprised to see people already feeling their feedback was being screamed into the void.

That'll either make you silent or make you shout even louder, and the more you love something, the more likely you'll be on the latter camp. That's why the forums feel so negative. I'll bet you that the harshest critics in here are the ones who love/loved the game the most.

[dspguy]

I hear some "Well, I like X Y and Z about the game, but not A B and C." I'd say, quit while you are ahead. What game will you play that you like 100% of it? If someone likes certain aspects, enjoy those aspects. Let's say I hate Blitzball, does that mean I will never play FFX ever again? Let's say that I hate raising chocobos... will I never play FFVII again?

No, that is nonsensical and so is the notion that someone has to like 100% of the game in order to not complain about it.

[Mcg55ss]

Even in the balance the conversation remains the same. People also complain that their feedback falls on deaf ears. If devs are in the balance no one really is aware of it.

There's always going to be a group complaining, even in wow there's always a group complaining if he came from that you should be used to it cuz God knows I am after 17 years. It's just like eureka and exploratory zone some people are disappointed there isn't one this expansion and complaining about it meanwhile some people are happy there isn't one. Then you go classes design old astrologian some people liked it but it was a complicated class and square thought that it was so complicated it scared new people from trying it so they simplified it a bit that's going to piss off the people that mastered the old way but the people that were intimidated by and play it now or going to enjoy it. Someone will always complain whether the change is liked by 99% of community there's still 1% that's going to complain.

[Shinkuno]

There's always going to be a group complaining, even in wow there's always a group complaining if he came from that you should be used to it cuz God knows I am after 17 years. It's just like eureka and exploratory zone some people are disappointed there isn't one this expansion and complaining about it meanwhile some people are happy there isn't one. Then you go classes design old astrologian some people liked it but it was a complicated class and square thought that it was so complicated it scared new people from trying it so they simplified it a bit that's going to piss off the people that mastered the old way but the people that were intimidated by and play it now or going to enjoy it. Someone will always complain whether the change is liked by 99% of community there's still 1% that's going to complain.

But at this point the only people that defend this game are people that only afk the game on their second screen. The could make every class have a 100 button rotation and it wouldnt affect those people anyway. Just like having another Bozja wouldnt affect those people cause they dont play the game anyway but not having it impacts everyone that plays the game.