Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't know the details of Ateliers replays but if they are back to back I would question the sanity but if it were like a while after another that isn't exactly a bad thing. People have fav games and will replay over and over...Ive replayed FF12 like 3 times story wise in the last 2 years because I genuinely liked it. Many do yearly plays of their fav games or a friend of mine will rewatch a show yearly so to me that's not exactly like 'bro that's so weird you do that' for me. I would say as someone who cheese levelled most of my classes through bozja....I think I dislike bozja way more then Eureka and I think its because it was all one colour scheme and the scenery was samey which deflated it all. Eureka at least did make each location visually different in my book.



This forum is full of people who armchair dev and think they could fix the game by doing X.Y.Z but any community has that issue and not even exclusively here. Sometimes people just want a game to improve for their sake rather then the ripple affect it could have negatively to others. There are some good ideas that come out here though and I think devs would be able to find those quality ideas amongst the sea of questionable ones.

Reason I have alts besides enjoying playing as different characters without needing to resort to a fantasia addict is mostly because I have friends on different servers and I wanted to join their FCs which you cant do if your not a native on that server. And one was created to take part of an Eternal Bonding ceremony they had and I figured may as well to level that character up in my downtime.

Also I actually didnt really go through the MSQ fully 4 times. Ive done it twice because I liked to see cutscene perspectives with different characters Ive grown attached to but Ive used story skips to bypass the ARR-Shb.

Regardless my reason for having alts should have no baring on my opinions regarding in this game and its no different than what other people do in this game. Nor should it be used to harass other players in this forum.

Ive done that to Stormpeaks and yeah it was scummy so I stopped.

[LilimoLimomo]

So you expect someone like me for example that likes housing, hanging out with people, go to venues,glamours, just basically being social and doing housing, to just quit the game because I despise the mogstation stuff and I bash it ? Because I think the content is absolutely atrocious and boring in this game ? Because of those reasons, I should give up on housing and my friends and social activities in general ? Your take doesnt make any sense.

Haha, to be clear I don't at all expect that! But in regards to yourself, you've provided me with the vital piece that I was missing: the fact that there are indeed things you love about the game experience in addition to the things you vocally criticize. I genuinely appreciate your sharing!

[ZephyrMenodora]

Reason I have alts besides enjoying playing as different characters without needing to resort to a fantasia addict is mostly because I have friends on different servers and I wanted to join their FCs which you cant do if your not a native on that server. And one was created to take part of an Eternal Bonding ceremony they had and I figured may as well to level that character up in my downtime.

Also I actually didnt really go through the MSQ fully 4 times. Ive done it twice because I liked to see cutscene perspectives with different characters Ive grown attached to but Ive used story skips to bypass the ARR-Shb.

Regardless my reason for having alts should have no baring on my opinions regarding in this game and its no different than what other people do in this game. Nor should it be used to harass other players in this forum.

Ive done that to Stormpeaks and yeah it was scummy so I stopped.

Even if you had done the MSQ 4 times, it wouldn't make you automatically wrong about everything you post. Never understood how that was relevant. Twice isn't really that extreme.

I've been tempted to make an alt just to play a different character once in a while, and if I ever do I'll be doing the MSQ a second time at that point.

[Jeeqbit]

I've noticed that the FF14 forums seem to have numerous users who regularly post in ways that suggest that they feel very negatively about the game.

Note that half the topics in this forum are made by the same person with 2-3 alts that they change every month or so. There are genuinely a lot of negative posters because people mostly come to forums when they want to complain, but the alts are a significant contributor to this.

if I disliked something that much, I would personally want to get away from that thing, rather than expose myself to more of it every day.

They want it to be better though and the point is to communicate it.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm not one of those negative posters but outside of a couple of examples I believe most of them truly do love the game. They have some things that they're unhappy with so they're voicing that opinion. There are one or two where I do think they may be making themselves miserable and really might need at least a break so they can get away, do something positive, and come back with a different mindset. Or find they enjoyed their time away and choose not to come back at all. Sometimes we as gamers get to that point where a game just isn't what we want anymore and feedback is good, but so is knowing when to walk away.

I think most of the conflict with other posters is that many times they can't help but attack others for not sharing their opinion. You can see it in this thread. Someone enjoys the grind of the MSQ and gets something of value from that type of content. Someone does not enjoy the different grind of Eureka or Bozja. Or vice versa. These ideas don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. And we shouldn't discount someone's opinion just because it's different than our own. But we do with words like simp, or white knight, or doomposter, or implying those happy/upset have inferior standards to person giving their opinion, or any other terms used to devalue the opinion of someone on the "other side".

So I really think a lot of the problems are that it's been very hard to recognize that we all care for the game and want to have fun in it, but our ideas of fun are different and what appeals to someone may not appeal to others. And that's perfectly fine. We can debate the finer points without attacking each other.

[Ivtrix]

I don't know the details of Ateliers replays but if they are back to back I would question the sanity but if it were like a while after another that isn't exactly a bad thing. People have fav games and will replay over and over...Ive replayed FF12 like 3 times story wise in the last 2 years because I genuinely liked it. Many do yearly plays of their fav games or a friend of mine will rewatch a show yearly so to me that's not exactly like 'bro that's so weird you do that' for me. I would say as someone who cheese levelled most of my classes through bozja....I think I dislike bozja way more then Eureka and I think its because it was all one colour scheme and the scenery was samey which deflated it all. Eureka at least did make each location visually different in my book.



This forum is full of people who armchair dev and think they could fix the game by doing X.Y.Z but any community has that issue and not even exclusively here. Sometimes people just want a game to improve for their sake rather then the ripple affect it could have negatively to others. There are some good ideas that come out here though and I think devs would be able to find those quality ideas amongst the sea of questionable ones.

I think one of the disappointing things about this game coming from a wow background is how it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day. I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole. In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job, there are forums (and forums for beta builds) as well as high level avenues to provide feedback. And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

I don’t see that in this game and personally, I don’t like it. So maybe it’s a bit of an overreaction but I prefer not to take chances.

[caffe_macchiato]

the usual

Someday, when your friends and groups have all left the game and you're all alone, you'll understand why people here are urging Square Enix to fix things. You will someday go through what the rest of us already have. Long-time players are leaving and are being replaced with rose-tinted-glasses sprouts that burn through the single-player content and then drop the game themselves. As Lucky Bancho shows, there's a lot of churn. The suits at Square Enix love that. People? Who cares about people? It's not like we're used as anything other than a vending machine for money, right?

In its modern (and mutilated) incarnation, FFXIV is still great at one thing: being far easier to use than Second Life and VRchat. The posing capabilities, which allow you to make detailed screenshots and animations, are second to none. The community is great too, in that it actually exists and is not dead unlike SL and VRchat. And everyone's put together in one world, unlike Discords which are splintered and don't even offer a 3D realm to play around in. Once you go to Balmung's Ul'dah, you'll find the real reason why people stick with FFXIV. It's not the content that Square Enix gave us that makes FFXIV special, but the power vacuum that allows us to turn FFXIV into whatever we want. And once you've gotten into "the scene", you'll realize that no multiplayer game, not even Second Life, has the robustness of FFXIV's toolkit and APIs.

Now if only FFXIV was an actual video game instead

[Mcg55ss]

I think one of the disappointing things about this game coming from a wow background is how it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day. I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole. In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job, there are forums (and forums for beta builds) as well as high level avenues to provide feedback. And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

I don’t see that in this game and personally, I don’t like it. So maybe it’s a bit of an overreaction but I prefer not to take chances.

As someone else who came from WoW maybe you just haven't found it yet. While this game doesn't have talents or the forums it does have multiple discord set up that has plenty of community interaction. Balance discord is the one when looking for best in slot, how to gem, rotations so on now there is no talents in this game so you won't have that here. Most servers have a server dc discord, even Dynamis more people are posting like hunt trains, fate events, the rare spawns that dropped the pieces for the mounts and so on. Now where square gets most their feedback who knows they do take ideas from the forumss every once in awhile as Dixie pointed out I believe something coming up this next expansion was a forum request but majority who knows.

[CStrife912]

I think one of the disappointing things about this game coming from a wow background is how it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day. I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole. In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job, there are forums (and forums for beta builds) as well as high level avenues to provide feedback. And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

I don’t see that in this game and personally, I don’t like it. So maybe it’s a bit of an overreaction but I prefer not to take chances.

I find it strange that blizzard can use a public test server...release content well in advance and still not listen to feedback...or still release broken content, unbalanced classes etc etc. Diablo 4 is another example of blizzard just not listening to people. I will give some credit to the 14 team outside of some bugs with EW patches they release their content without test servers and manage to do most of the QA internally. You have to also remember the team and budget wow gets is much higher...I do hope CBU3 expands more to have a new project division and the 14 MMO division. I feel for ESO players....they just get pooped on a yearly basis and we have people here talking about content longevity....I know its not the point and we should expect better but we don't have it as bad as other communities. But we can strive for better and I am on board with that.

Even if you had done the MSQ 4 times, it wouldn't make you automatically wrong about everything you post. Never understood how that was relevant. Twice isn't really that extreme.

I've been tempted to make an alt just to play a different character once in a while, and if I ever do I'll be doing the MSQ a second time at that point.

I intend to do new game + once some of the graphics update changes come through as I haven't played ARR-SB in many years and I wouldn't mind replaying it at some point.

[Jeeqbit]

it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day.

A lot of people feel that way but it depends who you are. If you are in the Novice Network, an active FC, hunt linkshells (especially spawner and conductor linkshells) or do alliance raids, hunts, roleplaying, pugging or activities with a static a lot, then there is lots of interaction. There also was in Eureka and Bozja but I don't know if there is still much there now. If you talk in some of the thousands of FFXIV discord servers regularly or use social platforms such as twitch, twitter or youtube, there is lots of interaction as well.

I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole.

From playing the game themselves, watching popular youtube channels, and managing the social platforms such as twitter. But there is obviously a translation barrier here since the developers are japanese and we are writing in English.

In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job

There were discords for each job but they became a single discord called The Balance and they have a website now too. No official ones for the game of course.

And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

But the developers here are Japanese. And if they spent all day getting trolled on the forums they wouldn't develop anything.