Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[CStrife912]

I think one of the disappointing things about this game coming from a wow background is how it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day. I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole. In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job, there are forums (and forums for beta builds) as well as high level avenues to provide feedback. And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

I don’t see that in this game and personally, I don’t like it. So maybe it’s a bit of an overreaction but I prefer not to take chances.

I find it strange that blizzard can use a public test server...release content well in advance and still not listen to feedback...or still release broken content, unbalanced classes etc etc. Diablo 4 is another example of blizzard just not listening to people. I will give some credit to the 14 team outside of some bugs with EW patches they release their content without test servers and manage to do most of the QA internally. You have to also remember the team and budget wow gets is much higher...I do hope CBU3 expands more to have a new project division and the 14 MMO division. I feel for ESO players....they just get pooped on a yearly basis and we have people here talking about content longevity....I know its not the point and we should expect better but we don't have it as bad as other communities. But we can strive for better and I am on board with that.

Even if you had done the MSQ 4 times, it wouldn't make you automatically wrong about everything you post. Never understood how that was relevant. Twice isn't really that extreme.

I've been tempted to make an alt just to play a different character once in a while, and if I ever do I'll be doing the MSQ a second time at that point.

I intend to do new game + once some of the graphics update changes come through as I haven't played ARR-SB in many years and I wouldn't mind replaying it at some point.

[Jeeqbit]

it doesn’t feel like there is any community interaction day to day.

A lot of people feel that way but it depends who you are. If you are in the Novice Network, an active FC, hunt linkshells (especially spawner and conductor linkshells) or do alliance raids, hunts, roleplaying, pugging or activities with a static a lot, then there is lots of interaction. There also was in Eureka and Bozja but I don't know if there is still much there now. If you talk in some of the thousands of FFXIV discord servers regularly or use social platforms such as twitch, twitter or youtube, there is lots of interaction as well.

I’ll be honest I don’t think most people have any idea where SE actually gets feedback on the game as a whole.

From playing the game themselves, watching popular youtube channels, and managing the social platforms such as twitter. But there is obviously a translation barrier here since the developers are japanese and we are writing in English.

In wow especially around upcoming expansions there was a ton of community interactions, there are discords for each job

There were discords for each job but they became a single discord called The Balance and they have a website now too. No official ones for the game of course.

And the thing there is- you can see the developers regularly interact with the playerbase, even if they disagree with the feedback.

But the developers here are Japanese. And if they spent all day getting trolled on the forums they wouldn't develop anything.

[Myrany]

Smart boss.



Bro you need to look in the mirror.



This right here is why people mention Atelier's alts. There's nothing inherently wrong with having alts but this guy will say that Eureka/Bozja are boring but he'll play through MSQ a gazillion times.



A normal sprout only has to do the content once, you forced yourself to do it four extra times.

I seriously have 9 characters. None at max though one (my main) is halfway through Shadowbringers. I just love ARR and Heavensward and get the itch to do it again on a different character and figure out better faster smarter ways to go through it. Stormblood is always my hard stop. I made it through it once but I really did not like that expansion. So far I am loving Shadowbringers though.

We all play to do different things. If we didn't have something we enjoyed we wouldn't still be here.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Those factors dont correlate to each other as it still doesnt excuse the problems Ive addressed with the content.

If anything it made those issues even clearer, if you take it to the perspective of someone who has to start as a sprout. Which is why the devs have gone back (albeit rarely) to mitigate some of the grindy aspects of that content to be more bareable for newer players.

Theres no excuse for content to be boring.

Anyway I dont want to further derail this thread into that so Ill just stop right here with that discussion.

[Ivtrix]

dont dislike the game, it has amazing potential and could be improved upon

but also there are some very bad takes especially in regards to combat balancing on this forum and god forbid the devs who actually read the forums take the feedback given by the guy who didnt know what a slidecast was as legitimate feedback, incorrect opinions on game balance must be corrected

[Kaurhz]

I will say, people do focus on them simply because those areas can always be better than they are.

Any given system in this game and every single game could be better in some shape or form, and I feel like it is important to highlight that, but that does not inherently make them a crap system or game on the whole. But people feel like their criticisms are ignored, even though the developers say to "Post feedback on the forums" which does leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths, so IMO it isn't really all that surprising if people come across as very taxed with their feedback and/or the game.

In general, people are not going to praise something if they enjoy it -- Because they'll be too busy enjoying it to praise it. I didn't come on here all those years ago praising the developers incessantly for having one of the most developed crafting systems in a game (at the time), because I was busy enjoying crafting. This applies to anything. People aren't going to praise exploratory content because they'll be busy doing it, and that will only cease to change when it ceases to be a system, or when they gut it.

It's an MMO, and there are facets of this game that people will enjoy even if they don't enjoy something else. It's really not as simple as "I hate this, therefore, I hate everything else", nor is it as simple as "I like this, therefore, I like everything else"

[NanaWiloh]

Nothing wrong with negative criticism but one has to wonder what the real story is when someone posts here with 2 dozen accounts. Can't simply be trolling has to be more to it than that.

See the pile of books in the corner, the real story is in there somewhere. Heard noises in the pile so I won't going looking but your welcome too.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't know the details of Ateliers replays but if they are back to back I would question the sanity but if it were like a while after another that isn't exactly a bad thing. People have fav games and will replay over and over...Ive replayed FF12 like 3 times story wise in the last 2 years because I genuinely liked it. Many do yearly plays of their fav games or a friend of mine will rewatch a show yearly so to me that's not exactly like 'bro that's so weird you do that' for me. I would say as someone who cheese levelled most of my classes through bozja....I think I dislike bozja way more then Eureka and I think its because it was all one colour scheme and the scenery was samey which deflated it all. Eureka at least did make each location visually different in my book.



This forum is full of people who armchair dev and think they could fix the game by doing X.Y.Z but any community has that issue and not even exclusively here. Sometimes people just want a game to improve for their sake rather then the ripple affect it could have negatively to others. There are some good ideas that come out here though and I think devs would be able to find those quality ideas amongst the sea of questionable ones.

Reason I have alts besides enjoying playing as different characters without needing to resort to a fantasia addict is mostly because I have friends on different servers and I wanted to join their FCs which you cant do if your not a native on that server. And one was created to take part of an Eternal Bonding ceremony they had and I figured may as well to level that character up in my downtime.

Also I actually didnt really go through the MSQ fully 4 times. Ive done it twice because I liked to see cutscene perspectives with different characters Ive grown attached to but Ive used story skips to bypass the ARR-Shb.

Regardless my reason for having alts should have no baring on my opinions regarding in this game and its no different than what other people do in this game. Nor should it be used to harass other players in this forum.

Ive done that to Stormpeaks and yeah it was scummy so I stopped.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Reason I have alts besides enjoying playing as different characters without needing to resort to a fantasia addict is mostly because I have friends on different servers and I wanted to join their FCs which you cant do if your not a native on that server. And one was created to take part of an Eternal Bonding ceremony they had and I figured may as well to level that character up in my downtime.

Also I actually didnt really go through the MSQ fully 4 times. Ive done it twice because I liked to see cutscene perspectives with different characters Ive grown attached to but Ive used story skips to bypass the ARR-Shb.

Regardless my reason for having alts should have no baring on my opinions regarding in this game and its no different than what other people do in this game. Nor should it be used to harass other players in this forum.

Ive done that to Stormpeaks and yeah it was scummy so I stopped.

Even if you had done the MSQ 4 times, it wouldn't make you automatically wrong about everything you post. Never understood how that was relevant. Twice isn't really that extreme.

I've been tempted to make an alt just to play a different character once in a while, and if I ever do I'll be doing the MSQ a second time at that point.

[Jeeqbit]

I've noticed that the FF14 forums seem to have numerous users who regularly post in ways that suggest that they feel very negatively about the game.

Note that half the topics in this forum are made by the same person with 2-3 alts that they change every month or so. There are genuinely a lot of negative posters because people mostly come to forums when they want to complain, but the alts are a significant contributor to this.

if I disliked something that much, I would personally want to get away from that thing, rather than expose myself to more of it every day.

They want it to be better though and the point is to communicate it.