Genuine Question for Frequent Negative Posters

[Nero-Voidstails]

I fed this troll Roe, everyone feeds this troll Roe. This is a person who actually said "Stormblood is a white savior narrative".

If SE actually did something about lingering issues year after year, people wouldn't have to "rehash the same 5 conversations again" try telling Viera and Hrotgar players "Oh stop complaining, you're just rehashing the same old argument of not having hats for years on end! > "

we should make a movie about him! call the roe of vengeance!

[ElysiumDragon]

I'm not a "frequent" negative poster, but I do partake in the negative healer discussions on occasion. I'm gonna give you my personal take, how I have actually felt and acted on forums for years. But it's also one of the most common opinions on negative feedback on video game forums everywhere. So I'm gonna say it in general terms, because I know it's not just me.

People complain because they love the game (or at least, have loved it in the past). And because they love it and play it so much, any sharp edges are very obvious to them. So they complain, hoping that it helps make their favorite game better in the future... As cliche as it is, that's what I believe.

There is a second part to it though. Just enjoying the drama. Misery loves company, and all that. Sometimes it's just nice to hear people complain about something you've been bothered by recently and you just wanna shout "Yes, exactly!"... and then maybe walk it back a little, because damn these people are PISSED, and their criticism is shotgun-style, doing all kinds of collateral damage. Maybe that last part is just me, idk.

This is an interesting point, because I honestly feel the same way about a different game. I believe the developers there are either wilfully incompetent or lazy, but still take umbrage at the scattershot approach certain grifters take to 'criticism'. If I criticise something, I always try and laser-focus on the exact things that suck, rather than appealing to 'vibes'.

Funnily enough, that probably transfers fairly cleanly to this community as well.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

This was a very good read.
I think the players who raid in the current tier, spend hours learning and mastering their class with a very fine detail and that comes with a sense of accomplishment that probably feels erased or diminished every time a change comes along.
Some people hate change more than others.

[Exmo]

You will never understand because you are not tethered to the actual substance of the game. You are here only because of your feelings. Your personal identity is under threat because people are unhappy about the game. You never talk about the game. You only come here to complain about the negativity and mock people with genuine concerns.

And yes I have an ego because I know I understand the game's issues far more deeply than you white knights.

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this community is frail and easily offended and I hate it

Woah you're right ^^

Some people are just really sensitive I guess. It's a shame because the forums used to be better.

[SWATomega]

Do you overall dislike the game?

No, i still enjoy the game even as the state of things of right now.

What do you still enjoy about the game?

I just like playing it, there isn't a deep meaning behind it I just do,

Why the frequent focus on negative aspects?

So this is my thought process and this is a layered over several things on top of each other. Lets start where we came from, Endwalker. That was to be the conclusion of the original 1.0 story, ARR for most people. It was to be a climactic conclusion to this 10+ year journey. After EW we got the 5 part mini story of Zero and the 13th while we for the next expansion. What we have is a fragile emotional anchor that was freed, we had our character's main journey end and we as players were looking to the next journey the next big boss.

THat is an issue the problem is most if not all story hooks were resolved or finished, Dawntrail doesn't have anything to attach to continue on plot-wise, and the ends are all tied up. So a new story and foundation needs to be made to keep us the players entertained and interested. THis is where Dawntrail gets shaky and it isn't 100% the writing's fault, it can also be the mental state of players at the moment and time. We had the anticipation that Dawntrail was going to be better than Endwalker and some even said Shadowbringers. So we got a buildup to disaster, where we got the game slowing down to build the start for the next ten years, writing that doesn't live up to expectations, and we got players who wanted something better than endwalker/ shadowbringers

So we got the Dawntrail reception, which is lackluster to the community that spoke up and it has a mental cascade effect when people begin to agree. SO we start to latch on to things that is bad about the game or don't like, we as humans are attached to negative things a lot more than positive ones. We also have people on the forums who make new accounts to add fuel to the fire and it spreads. The small issues become big issues, and repeated complaints become being ignored. We then try to shift the blame, and the one in the crossfire is Yoshi-p, who is the face of FFXIV, so we have people take their anger on him. Some even targeting voice actors with hate and negativity, or even characters that are probably not that bad are now big issues.

[SWATomega]

Part two since I went above the character limit.

As of now, the community that uses these forums it does feel they are on a warpath, believing the game is unfixable and wanting to nitpick everything. We have those who are "quitting" the game or unsubing but are still active on the forums. And we got those who just string up things to cause heat or fire in the community. I will say there are some good criticisms but we also get baited posts to cause fire and problems. The Black mage changes are the newest topic to latch on to, but im not a black mage player so I don't have the passion compared to others. all I will say is, i will wait to see how it fully plays out in 7.2 and post-patch. It might just be a temp thing till 8.0 I don't know.

I have played this game since 2.0 I have seen this game go through the good, bad, and ugly. While players are angry, it is because they care, we care for the game. they will nitpick, and point out things that are grinding their gears because they want change.

Is it just that there's nothing to say about the good parts?

I honestly do think the game will be fine.

Or is it something else?

I honestly think Dawntrail is the phase that they just didn't nail it this time. It is hard for any game dev team to nail games and expansions multiple times in a row, the honest question is does this expansion really make people believe the game will go downhill and not recover? To me the answer is no, it is a rough patch, yes, but it is just another moment in the game's history.

[TakoyakiLala]

Necro post, but I'll contribute to the old ass thing anyway, lol!

I occasionally express my negative feelings towards certain aspects of the game because the devs have been too trigger happy when it comes to things, such as job homogenization, for example. Where they try to appease both the top 1% of hardcore players who want seamless cohesion without any friction and the absolute bottom of the barrel no brain casuals who can't be bothered to read any of their job classes action descriptions and practice playing on a dummy for a bit to understand at least the basics of how their job class works.

If the dev team actually did their best to sift through feedback from both their JP and international playerbase and stuck to a more middle ground way of developing things, such as job class balance and whatnot without taking things too far in either direction, then I've would post far less negative posts here.

Other than, I just troll post to try to give people a little laugh here from time to time or ask for genuine help with something I don't understand related to the game. xD

[Astronema]

I post frequently my frustrations because many problems this game has a blind person could see and offer solutions.. I've never seen a development team where basic things could be solved using any an illegal mod only for the devs to try to adopt the functions of that illegal mod later while procrastinating in the process that it is coming soon. Chat bubbles I see you with disappointment.

[Gurgeh]

For me
-I don't enjoy the game now. You get two weeks free forum access after you last 'login to the game'. That's what it checks.
That's when I've done 90% of my posting.

- Originally I wanted the Devs to hear mine and 'all' my friends-who-have-left's problems with the game (multiple times now, they insta quit before trying chaotic when they heard it was savage not Ex, and about the PF abandons. I'm not proud about the effort I've put into trying to clear chaotic. Honestly I'm kind of ashamed. It's worse than embarrassment. What a waste of my own time. I'm so Fing good at p1 now. It's mostly my own fault I feel really bad for the 'from start' parties trying to fill so I always go there to help out. And they ARE struggling, i've seen people just devastated as their party get to 2 places short than just collapses after hours. It's SQX job to fix that so I don't have to. And they could. Tomorrow. The premade discord gatekeeping parsers won't be happy but they don't care about me and mine so I don't care about them.)

-Then I do like those occasions when I'm made to see something I never saw before. Jeeqbit is a hero. They've made me take notice multiple times. I love to be wrong. Then I can make it my opinion too. Bonus I get to be right now.

-I do ENJOY debate. Argument.

-I also enjoy good scrap with a troll. Guilt free collateral damage with no real damage. That lala troll (I call him king of the lalas) I enjoy shifting mental gears. It feels like I'm exploring strange new territory. I don't Reddit twitter or 4chan. I hope they are trolling. Id feel kind of bad if they weren't. That's being badly misunderstood. ... Allen, that's it.

-When someone is sincerely condescending, yeah then I like to have a scrap. Condescend to me and I won't have guilt about giving it back. Don't expect me to consider your feelings if you don't consider other people's. (Don't misunderstand that I'm upset that you think differently from me though, I'm not. Also, I'll assume you are probably somewhere on the socio/psycho-path low empathy spectrum and don't have feelings much in way that I can 'connect' to actually hurt. So I don't have to worry much.) Yeah I do enjoy the primal urge to lock horns, then turn around to fight another day.

-Then, THE BAIT IS REAL! Give into the bait! Be one with the bait! It's like standing in a storm, there is no denying the rawness of it! Chaos!

-I'm living in my own world where I imagine someone is 'interested' or challenged by what I have to say. And occasionally it is true. I don't expect everything I say to achieve adding value.
-I also kind of just enjoy writing.
"Dear diary..."

-Some of it is just chit chat. Something makes me laugh and I respond with something stupid.

And while all the above is true, I'm bored. There is no denying, that if I could just go queue Chaotic in DF, because they rewarded non-premades, and punished Premades, and lowered the reward thresholds accordingly to make having a mount to show for it a realistic prospect instead of the nothing you get for Extremes also, (why does everyone turn into an a-hole once they hit farm?) then yeah, I'd be there now not here. (Yeah I don't like MMOs essentially, not the whole random low unknown drop rate. I don't expect them to change the game for me in that respect)
Adore prog. Adore story. Adore playability. Hate studying guides. Hate feeling I should be sorry for not yet being good, because I'm not sorry. Hate abandons and "you're a prog liar! pants on fire" whiners, so I don't like farm. (Rather play for 50 mins no reward, than queue/play for 30 then wordless poof, often for 1 person making 1 mistake, after we already cleared, or after just 2 pulls.) Hate sitting in PF doing nothing. Hate one hit Press X tank and spank mob farms.
Oh, hate dealing with discords and their parsing critiques, and their toxic banter (also in twitch speech that I don't understand anyway) while I'm struggling to concentrate on the fight.

Here is an idea.... (Not sure it's mine) you need to clear a fight to 'unlock' rewards.... and now you get rewards just for time spent helping or hitting prog points with parties! Rewards proportional to the prog point. Only if your there 30mins,bail before then.. no rewards.
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Really late edit because another negative XIV vid in my YouTube popped up to remind me... I forgot one major thing today I liked about XIV...
Social #1. Social. I like having lots of friendly people around who just wanted to join people for the sake of joining them. Me join them. Or then join me. Peopling saying hi and excited to be in an instance. I'm was in a really hard working medium large FC, and it was just just dead. Gil farm maps (not maps for maps sake). New sprouts that never chatted. And high end cliques doing whatever their personal goals require. No asking people to join them, no one interested in joining me. My guess, it was pure savage raiders with mates from their statics, and the only sprouts were Xbox console loners that dint use chat much. I've got no idea. But there was no social. And again it FC leader couldn't have worked any harder. Social. I know there is no hope of making meaningfull friends who are gonna stick. A sub costs money. The game has to be good, and certainly not shit. The game now... it's so stale if you don't love your memory games and press X battles... it is a bit shit really.
Square, I don't want to misslead you with the noise of my other complaints, whatever you do you have to rebuild social other than add-on RPers and high end focused goal chasers. You have to 'warrant' 'deserve' having the full gamut of casual social (not leave it to the mod makers to deserve it)people dubbed for 11 months a year.