The new Nomura?

[Catwho]

BG3 is being talked about more than XVI because it was released just recently and people are still in the "ooh new shiny" phase.

sales numbers for XVI are doing just fine. once it comes out for PC there'll be more talk again and more sales.

Exactly. There was a chunk of us who bought a PS5 for XVI, but the vast majority of people who have a beefy gaming computer are not going to buy a console for one game.

When XVI launches on PC in 6-12 months, the numbers will shoot up again. Maybe they'll even have some of the minor QoL improvements and framerate fixes in by then.

I also think it'll have a boost around Christmas, when people get PS5s for the holiday.

As for the topic of Yoshi P vs Nomura: I think Yoshi P is a better producer. His shit came out on time and mostly bug free. As opposed to most of the clowns in SE that let their projects stew in development hell for years and have to change engines, change consoles, and eventually split their own projects into multiple parts because they can't trim scope.

[Nebelheim]

Exactly. There was a chunk of us who bought a PS5 for XVI, but the vast majority of people who have a beefy gaming computer are not going to buy a console for one game.

When XVI launches on PC in 6-12 months, the numbers will shoot up again. Maybe they'll even have some of the minor QoL improvements and framerate fixes in by then.

I also think it'll have a boost around Christmas, when people get PS5s for the holiday.

As for the topic of Yoshi P vs Nomura: I think Yoshi P is a better producer. His shit came out on time and mostly bug free. As opposed to most of the clowns in SE that let their projects stew in development hell for years and have to change engines, change consoles, and eventually split their own projects into multiple parts because they can't trim scope.

Yeah Nomura is known for constantly changing ideas mid-developement then scraping the game and rebuilding it numerous times then taking 10+ years to finally finish and release something.

[CNitsah]

Exactly. There was a chunk of us who bought a PS5 for XVI, but the vast majority of people who have a beefy gaming computer are not going to buy a console for one game.

When XVI launches on PC in 6-12 months, the numbers will shoot up again. Maybe they'll even have some of the minor QoL improvements and framerate fixes in by then.

I also think it'll have a boost around Christmas, when people get PS5s for the holiday.

That's where I disagree. If you think that the numbers will significantly grow when the pc version is released, I'm not sure. Sure the most dedicated FF fans will buy it, but by missing the windows of opportunity the release it, I'll doubt they will get the curious you would have got by simultaneous release. They will surely grow, but I wouldn't bet on shoot up. You can't redo the release. Most people already know the game, and the critics around it. By the time it is released, people will have passed to something else. When released at a later time on pc, none of the SE games created a second wind for their game, and I doubt it will happens this time.

The game did fairly well, and positive critics, despite the same problems being noticed by all. At best the pc version will garantee sales on the long term. It's FF, people will continue to buy them over time, but I don't expect a second peak when pc version is released. For that you have to create a hype, that train is gone. You already waited 6 months/a year, so what does a couple of month more will change.

Final Fantasy VII, VIII, X, XII and even the oh-so-hated XIII sold systems. Final Fantasy XVI failing to do that is still attesting to how the brand fell from grace.

And before you go "but muh economy crisis/muh lower buying power", even PS5's current price in the current economy doesn't hold a candle to how overpriced PS3 was.

Yeah, but PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 600$. PS2 costed around 250$, and even with inflation, that's nowhere near the price of the PS5. If I agree FF has kinda lost its grace since the PS3, I don't think that specific point is a good indicator. Too many things have changed.

[Kazhar]

From what I got, despite the being a deception in japan, the worldwide number are on par with FFXV (adjusted to to the pool of consoles) .

True. If we remove Xbox numbers entirely (which were a third of the overall sales overseas), XVI sold a bit better than XV the first week despite a worse userbase (50 million PS4 sold in december 2016 vs 42 million PS5 now) and poor numbers in japan. But it seem to have fallen off harder from both the charts and the public mind than its predecessor, which didn't have a great critical reception to begin with.

[DrWho2010]

True. If we remove Xbox numbers entirely (which were a third of the overall sales overseas), XVI sold a bit better than XV the first week despite a worse userbase (50 million PS4 sold in december 2016 vs 42 million PS5 now) and poor numbers in japan. But it seem to have fallen off harder from both the charts and the public mind than its predecessor, which didn't have a great critical reception to begin with.

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ok man whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. no one here actually cares about sales numbers. the only people that need to care about sales numbers is Square Enix staff itself and they're not here right? lol j/k

[Atelier-Bagur]

Next people are going go take GoTY seriously when it's just an obvious corporate marketing catered to mindless masses who care about video games as if they're were politics.

Actually that's exactly what people are nowadays, games are just another form of politics and that's ironic and sad considering how some people say they hate politics, yet the behavior, elitism and White knight is exactly that

[Kazhar]

doooooom and glooooommmm!! nuuuuuuuuuuu

ok man whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. no one here actually cares about sales numbers. the only people that need to care about sales numbers is Square Enix staff itself and they're not here right? lol j/k

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What's wrong with discussing actual numbers in a thread specifically about Yoshi-P and CBU3's success instead of throwing darts in the dark? I wasn't even the one who brought up sales in the first place.

[ZephyrMenodora]

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What's wrong with discussing actual numbers in a thread specifically about Yoshi-P and CBU3's success instead of throwing darts in the dark? I wasn't even the one who brought up sales in the first place.

Because their success doesn't support their narrative. Half of these forums live in a world of self-delusion and narcissism.

[Striker44]

Let's keep it down to earth, let's talk that real ish; YoshiP hasn't done anything great since heavensward (maybe stormblood).

Well, if we're gonna "keep it real," we'd be acknowledging that ShB is widely considered the "best" expansion, and EW is the solid #2 (with the highest active playerbase to date), so the dev team has only continued excelling and doing "great" things.

And Cyberpunk also got 87 despite it being a disaster.

You do realize this only advances the argument that Metacritic scores can be relatively worthless, right?

You don't understand how success is gauged at all.

He does. He's just trolling. The hilarious part is how the dedicated negative echo chamber in here laps it up thinking he's trashing FFXIV, but if you realize the full picture, you know he's confident the game is thriving.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Hasn't done anything great since Heavensward? What are you talking about? FF14 has only grown since then. I would say that they're doing something right.