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    Here's why I have my stance for unsubbing if you're truly unhappy.

    We have had quite a few examples of MMOs having to make big changes because they have been under fire with people unsubbing their game and leaving for something else. The two that come to my mind atm are World of Warcraft and Lost Ark.

    World of Warcraft which seriously needs to be studied in both its game design and history for any MMO to learn from all the successes and failures of the genre imo; because this game currently is on its path of trying to undo all the damage that stubborn developers have accumulated for years because of not listening to the feedback of its audience. This came about with Shadowlands; and although there were other factors affecting the mass exodus (such as company allegations) the years of feedback falling on death ears have caused long time fans and veterans of the game to finally wake up and unsub. The amount of people unsubbing caused Blizzard to quickly backtrack on their established designs and because of Dragonflight; its been a slow process for them to make the changes that people have asked for the game.

    With Lost Ark, it was the same, where once the most popular MMO in Korea quickly fell down because of the numerous amounts of endless unfun grinds and other issues (not very familiar with the game honestly, but word online is that this game aint doing too good) have drove away their consumers from continuing playing the game and this caused the developers there to make emergency streams to try to do damage control and listen to feedback.

    These companies while they create games, we cant forget that they're a business. And a business wont truly listen to your feedback if you continue to pay for the service. It gets complacent in its own stride and this is something that unfortunately I feel is slowly creeping on the FFXIV dev team. This isnt ever about people not wanting to listen to complaints on the forums or ignoring criticism, this is about having the integrity to vote with your wallet and leaving the game if you're actually not enjoying playing the game. Results speak for themselves and again, 2.0 would've never happened were it not for people leaving the game.

    And before people give the excuse of "oh but then how will they ever get feedback if nobody is play-" let me stop you right there, because guys, I know it sometimes easy to forget but we have a thing called the internet. The dev team can easily figure and research the data that has already been provided in numerous online outlets. That feedback doesnt just magically disappear if the majority leaves. But again I apply this statement to any of those who actually dont enjoy playing this game anymore. Why would you waste more of your time giving a company your money on something that you detest?

    I say it again, at the end of the day, gaming is a business to these devs. And nothing speaks louder and clearer than the loss of money.
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    Last edited by Atelier-Bagur; 08-18-2023 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
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    That's all good and beautiful in a rainbow world.

    Fact is, if there was a loss of playerbase, they would just spit out more mogstation purchases, put up the price, and people would jump in in droves to buy the stuff. (which they started doing lately by the way, more and more stuff on the shop)

    Literally all they have to do is sell a $500 plushie of graha eating a taco, and people would fight for it black friday style if it was an in person sale, and it'd go out of stock in a matter of 5 minutes if it was on the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    That's all good and beautiful in a rainbow world.

    Fact is, if there was a loss of playerbase, they would just spit out more mogstation purchases, put up the price, and people would jump in in droves to buy the stuff. (which they started doing lately by the way, more and more stuff on the shop)

    Literally all they have to do is sell a $500 plushie of graha eating a taco, and people would fight for it black friday style if it was an in person sale, and it'd go out of stock in a matter of 5 minutes if it was on the site.
    Eh. I wouldn't doomsay just yet. Now if FF14 got something as game ruining as the WoW Token then that's when it's over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart View Post
    Eh. I wouldn't doomsay just yet. Now if FF14 got something as game ruining as the WoW Token then that's when it's over.
    Stop being so obsessed with blizzard and focus on your own game

    yall weird with that focus on what WoW does wrong to justify the state of your own game

    also lol @ the wow token when everyone is doing RMT in plain sight in Limsa

    let me laugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    Stop being so obsessed with blizzard and focus on your own game

    yall weird with that focus on what WoW does wrong to justify the state of your own game

    also lol @ the wow token when everyone is doing RMT in plain sight in Limsa

    let me laugh
    You need to learn how to type before thinking about insulting others. I suggest googling what grammar, capitalization, commas, and periods are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart View Post
    You need to learn how to type before thinking about insulting others. I suggest googling what grammar, capitalization, commas, and periods are.
    good one dude, is that all you have to say to what I just mentioned ? thought so

    good attempt though, also my english is perfectly fine, idk what you're even trying to attack but sure buddy
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    It's a bit weird to me that some people would easily get worked up about the mere mention of WOW or Blizzard.

    The whole argument wasn't even about "WoW bad, FFXIV good."

    I believe a lot of people in FFXIV played WOW before. They simply don't see nor want similar system implemented to FFXIV.
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    Last edited by Aword3213; 08-18-2023 at 06:01 PM.