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[Koros]

The game flourished because WoW had a crisis and HEAVENSWARD and STORMBLOOD gave players enough of a good impression to share the success of this game.

It did NOT flourish because jobs were dumbed down in ShB/EW. Because literally how would a new player know about jobs being dumbed down?

[Jojoya]

The game flourished because WoW had a crisis and HEAVENSWARD and STORMBLOOD gave players enough of a good impression to share the success of this game.

It did NOT flourish because jobs were dumbed down in ShB/EW. Because literally how would a new player know about jobs being dumbed down?

It wasn't job design that brought the WoW refugees over. It was the opportunity to play a MMORPG that wasn't WoW. It was thumbing their nose at Blizzard by playing a "weeb" game. It was the raids. It was experiencing a game where the story wasn't an afterthought.

It's a pretty substantial portion of the WoW refugees that are still playing the game considering Lucky Bancho numbers now versus pre-exodus. Despite the complaints about job design from long time players, I don't think newer players are terribly unhappy with the job design.

^my favourite pastime is watching ShB and EW babies recommend improvements to the game that are literally just old SB systems they ripped out in favour of increasing how casual the game is

Bonus points if that person also argues the game is designed to be casual friendly

Which systems are you referring to? Not trying to say you're wrong. I don't read the role forums to have seen the suggestions.

The game being designed to be casual friendly is a good thing. MMORPGs can't survive if they're not (see Wildstar). If you want a hardcore experience, you're better off in something like Elden Ring.

Don't you need a sub to post here?
Man a lot of people seem to hate the game but they sure like paying for it

You can cancel a subscription but you still have normal access until the currently paid game time runs out. Refunds of unused game time don't get issued.

They are Japanese so there are some translation difficulties I suppose. And this forum is full of garbage that is probaby hard for them to sift through and find decent feedback. The videos MrHappy has been doing have been doing a good job articulating it and we know Yoshi-P watches him, possibly with youtube's caption translate feature.

Many Japanese individuals understand spoken English fairly well but have difficulty trying to speak it in return. If you watch Q&As, interviews, etc. done in English, YoshiP is already reacting to what is being said in English before it's translated. The translation gives him time to prepare a response while allowing Japanese viewers with limited or no English to hear what's being asked.

I know that MrHappy is not popular with many players so that may not carry weight with them. Another EN content creator that the devs watch regularly is Frosty with Mogtalk (this has been true for years, before Frosty was invited to do PvP tournament commentary). Frosty usually guides the conversation for his guests as opposed to adding his own opinions so the devs can see the legitimate reactions of part of the EN player base.

[Koros]

It wasn't job design that brought the WoW refugees over. It was the opportunity to play a MMORPG that wasn't WoW. It was thumbing their nose at Blizzard by playing a "weeb" game. It was the raids. It was experiencing a game where the story wasn't an afterthought.

It's a pretty substantial portion of the WoW refugees that are still playing the game considering Lucky Bancho numbers now versus pre-exodus. Despite the complaints about job design from long time players, I don't think newer players are terribly unhappy with the job design.

So why do the jobs have to be gutted beyond their SB designs? If newer players are neutral and veterans are unhappy then the net result is unhappy.

Yet Summoner, Dancer, Warrior, and such are some of the most played Jobs.

Because they're powerful? DRK is also the most played tank in JP, along with SAM being the most played DPS. DNC is probably the hardest phys ranged right now, and MCH languishes last while being the easiest phys ranged. Very nice cherrypicking though.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

The game flourished because WoW had a crisis and HEAVENSWARD and STORMBLOOD gave players enough of a good impression to share the success of this game.

It did NOT flourish because jobs were dumbed down in ShB/EW. Because literally how would a new player know about jobs being dumbed down?

Yet Summoner, Dancer, Warrior, and such are some of the most played Jobs.

[Jeeqbit]

Yet Summoner, Dancer, Warrior, and such are some of the most played Jobs.

It is true that statistically people gravitate to the simple jobs and SE almost certainly will notice this. If they notice this, it's only a matter of time before the question is raised "should we make all jobs simple?" and here we are.

[Koros]

It is true that statistically people gravitate to the simple jobs and SE almost certainly will notice this. If they notice this, it's only a matter of time before the question is raised "should we make all jobs simple?" and here we are.

No, people gravitate to meta jobs. WAR, DNC, and SMN are all meta for casual prog because of WAR's Holmgang for PF invuln strats, SMN for raise and the high mobility, and DNC+SAM is one of the easiest way to boost your rDPS. DRK is actually the most played tank in JP, along with SAM being the most played DPS. A lot of people don't actually like playing DRK though. These statistics don't show anything other than what's meta.

Nerf WAR's self-sustain and you'll see WAR becoming far less popular.

Also, a lot of people gravitate to jobs because of the visuals. How do you disentangle the % of players picking up a job because of the visuals vs. them picking it up because of the simplicity? A lot of players play DNC, WHM, and SMN purely because of the class fantasy, not because of the mechanics.

[Jeeqbit]

Also, a lot of people gravitate to jobs because of the visuals. How do you disentangle the % of players picking up a job because of the visuals vs. them picking it up because of the simplicity? A lot of players play DNC, WHM, and SMN purely because of the class fantasy, not because of the mechanics.

True. DNC is one of those jobs that someone is going to play just because they dance.

[Kes13a]

True. DNC is one of those jobs that someone is going to play just because they dance.

I just like the job myself, after whm its what I am most on. I couldnt give a rats behind if its meta or not, I just like it

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

No, people gravitate to meta jobs. WAR, DNC, and SMN are all meta for casual prog because of WAR's Holmgang for PF invuln strats, SMN for raise and the high mobility, and DNC+SAM is one of the easiest way to boost your rDPS. DRK is actually the most played tank in JP, along with SAM being the most played DPS. A lot of people don't actually like playing DRK though. These statistics don't show anything other than what's meta.

Nerf WAR's self-sustain and you'll see WAR becoming far less popular.

Also, a lot of people gravitate to jobs because of the visuals. How do you disentangle the % of players picking up a job because of the visuals vs. them picking it up because of the simplicity? A lot of players play DNC, WHM, and SMN purely because of the class fantasy, not because of the mechanics.

Summoner isn't top of the meta. It's played because it's simple and players want to be able to pick up a role quickly. As a lot of players play multiple jobs rather frequently, so don't want to have to spend a lot of time mastering it if it's not their main role.

[Koros]

Summoner isn't top of the meta. It's played because it's simple and players want to be able to pick up a role quickly. As a lot of players play multiple jobs rather frequently, so don't want to have to spend a lot of time mastering it if it's not their main role.

what would someone who has cleared zero relevant content know about the meta