If you're unhappy with this game then unsub... forever.

[Jojoya]

Imagine if we all just silently quit in 1.0 rather than actually complained till they fixed the game

Where would all the e thots be today

Did you ever watch the 3 part NoClip documentary about FFXIV?

Hate to say it but it seems that it was the players who silently quit that impacted things the most. SE was placed in a position where they needed to save face and rescue the franchise's reputation after the game's obvious failure. They still came close to just letting it burn without rebuilding it.

Because you and other players were willing to keep giving SE money for the bad game so they had some revenue to work with, they were able to proceed with the attempt to rebuild it.

All the complaining did was confirm what needed to get fixed once the decision was made to try to save it.

I view staying and complaining as a better option

Even if it does nothing I’ve spent a lot of time with this game and I feel like I should fight for it, if i just quietly leave sure they will miss my sub but then my voice gets replaced by another generic “1 button rotations on healers is too complex” limsa enjoyer and I don’t want that

Even if I’m screaming into the void it feels better than doing nothing

Which is understandable. I felt that way about WoW for a while. I thought that adding my voice to all the others pointing out issues with the game would get things to change.

It didn't work while I was still subscribed except the one time all that feedback and criticism was backed up by a sea of subscription cancellations (the WoD flying fiasco). Blizzard went right back to not caring once they got enough players to change their minds about cancelling.

It took continued subscription losses over 3 more expansions (plus the success of Classic) to get Blizzard to start caring about all that feedback.

FFXIV isn't failing right now no matter how much some like to say it is. There are no massive financial and publicity disasters like 1.0 had. If it was in any danger, we'd be seeing them scrambling to get more player feedback on changes needed. They aren't.

That's what happens when people who don't like a product keep paying - they stop the trigger that forces a corporation into action from happening.

You don't need to be paying a subscription to give SE your feedback about the game. If some posters are correct and they're ignoring the EN forums, it's just a waste of your time.

We know they pay attention to some NA and EU content creators. We know they pay attention to Twitter X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. There are probably some other sources they watch as well. Get your voice heard where they're actually listening.

This is basically me.

I also think all of these "vote with your wallet/stop complaining/go away" posts are disingenuous concern trolling at best. These people don't give a rat's ass if you have a good time or not. They love sloppy game design and want a forum full of uncritical praise for the direction it's been headed.

They want us gone because we point out that modern FFXIV coddled their laziness. They don't like this.

You can call others lazy all you want. They won't care. Your opinion means nothing to them when they're trying to relax after a hard day at work, caring for their families, etc.

Look at what I posted above. I'm not saying "vote with your wallet" because I don't want you heard.

I want you to vote with your wallet so you do get heard. Corporations don't care until they get hit where it hurts - in their financials.

Being subbed is the best way to not get heard. They're getting your money and that's all they wanted from you in the first place.

Again, you don't have to be subbed for SE to see your feedback about the state of the game. You just need to be talking where they're actually looking.

[AlexiaD]

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Once again, you are highly coping

FFXIV isn't failing right now no matter how much some like to say it is. There are no massive financial and publicity disasters like 1.0 had. If it was in any danger, we'd be seeing them scrambling to get more player feedback on changes needed. They aren't.

Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.

We know they pay attention to some NA and EU content creators. We know they pay attention to Twitter X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter. There are probably some other sources they watch as well. Get your voice heard where they're actually listening.

If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Also stop with this "yeah just unsub it will do something if we all unsub", nah it wont, because of people like you and many others, there is always a defense brigade ready to blame the players instead of the company, and in the worst case scenario, if they were in deficit finance wises due to massive amount of people unsubbing, they'd just bring out more mog shop stuff (which is basically what they've been doing lately, also increasing the price of mounts and glams), the second an item is out, people RUSH to buy it on the store, even multiple times for their alts since a lot is single character only, no matter what it is, if they like it even just a tiny little, they will buy it anyway, just because it's SE that is putting it out, hell if they brought up a $500 plushie of gra'ha eating the taco, people would literally fight "a la black friday" just to get one if the sales were physical.

The point is that FFXIV players have standards so damn low that nothing actually phases them, and it's really mindblowing to me, they could release a turd mount for $50, people would buy the hell out of it because it has sparkle on it.

[Striker44]

Once again, you are highly coping

No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.

Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.

It's gaining players, too. At every step of the way, FFXIV has continued increasing the size of its playerbase with each successive expansion compared to prior ones. For example, if you look at the active playerbase at Patch 2.4, Patch 3.4, Patch 4.4, etc., there's a steady increase, with EW featuring the highest population to date.

If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Now this is "copium" if I've ever seen it.

[AlexiaD]

No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.



It's gaining players, too. At every step of the way, FFXIV has continued increasing the size of its playerbase with each successive expansion compared to prior ones. For example, if you look at the active playerbase at Patch 2.4, Patch 3.4, Patch 4.4, etc., there's a steady increase, with EW featuring the highest population to date.


Now this is "copium" if I've ever seen it.

"it's gaining players"

ok buddy

enjoy coping

also lol @ thinking I'm coping when I say that the game's image on twitter is literally gposers, go and take a look for yourself.

I just opened the page with the FFXIV hashtag, and so far 95% of the tweets are of modded characters. (and like 50+% are NSFW)

[Jojoya]

Once again, you are highly coping



Of course it aint failing finance wise, have you seen the mog shop ? The prices are increasing more and more and stuff is put on there more and more regularly, so of course their finances have no issues, they make up for the player losses with more mog shop items.



If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Also stop with this "yeah just unsub it will do something if we all unsub", nah it wont, because of people like you and many others, there is always a defense brigade ready to blame the players instead of the company, and in the worst case scenario, if they were in deficit finance wises due to massive amount of people unsubbing, they'd just bring out more mog shop stuff (which is basically what they've been doing lately, also increasing the price of mounts and glams), the second an item is out, people RUSH to buy it on the store, even multiple times for their alts since a lot is single character only, no matter what it is, if they like it even just a tiny little, they will buy it anyway, just because it's SE that is putting it out, hell if they brought up a $500 plushie of gra'ha eating the taco, people would literally fight "a la black friday" just to get one if the sales were physical.

The point is that FFXIV players have standards so damn low that nothing actually phases them, and it's really mindblowing to me, they could release a turd mount for $50, people would buy the hell out of it because it has sparkle on it.

Because that's what some people do. They have access to more money than consumer sense.

Have you never left the inside of your FFXIV houses to learn about people in all their variety? Are you really that sheltered even in your real life?

You throwing mocking comments around won't change things. Your opinion means nothing to those you mock nor does it mean anything to SE.

Your money, however, does mean something to both of them.

If you're enjoying it, then please do go on financially supporting things as they are.

[AlexiaD]

Because that's what some people do. They have access to more money than consumer sense.

So ? What does that prove exactly ?

Have you never left the inside of your FFXIV houses to learn about people in all their variety? Are you really that sheltered even in your real life?

Sadly I have, there are times I wish I'd stay in my houses, because the community in this game is something else, thankfully there are quite a lot of good people out there, also I aint sure why we are bringing my real life into this.

You throwing mocking comments around won't change things. Your opinion means nothing to those you mock nor does it mean anything to SE.

I am not quite sure how me saying you're coping is "mocking" you but sure ?

Your money, however, does mean something to both of them.

No it does not, and I mentioned why above.

If you're enjoying it, then please do go on financially supporting things as they are.

I will, thank you.

[Jojoya]

also lol @ thinking I'm coping when I say that the game's image on twitter is literally gposers, go and take a look for yourself.

You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.

No it does not, and I mentioned why above.

Except it does mean something to everyone.

Thank you for your support.

[AlexiaD]

You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.


Except it does mean something to everyone.

Thank you for your support.

That's exactly what I said ? I said that they embraced that image ?

If they paid attention to twitter, they'd know that their game only gets attention thanks to gposers that are using heavily modded characters, not for any of the content they put out, but I guess that's the image they want to have to new players ?

Also you are most welcome, and it doesnt mean anything to anybody, I dont think anybody cares about me being subscribed to the game or not, but sure.

[AwesomeJr44]

No, actually she's just telling straight facts you simply don't like to hear.

[Rolder50]

You are coping if you think SE sees that as a bad thing.

Corporations welcome free publicity on social media.

Pretty sure the reason gposers were brought up, is the fact that a huge number of them are extremely dirty.

No sane company wants their PG13 game to be represented by porn.