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[TheNight]

You say other people are wrong and then say SGE and RDM are popular when the numbers directly prove that wrong.

[Supersnow845]

You say other people are wrong and then say SGE and RDM are popular when the numbers directly prove that wrong.

If we are going by anabeisos then he is half right, SGE is second, far behind WHM with SCH nipping at its heels (AST is so far in fourth it’s actually funny)

For RDM it’s the 4th least popular job beating out BRD, MNK and BLM

In TOP SGE slips to third (again AST so far in last it’s actually funny), RDM remains 4th least popular

For DSR SGE returns to second (AST is in the trash again) and RDM remains 4th least popular


So I would say it more proves your point than his, SGE also has the new healer appeal and still barely clears SCH

[Lunalepsy]

No? Don't be so complacent.

[Supersnow845]

When people say “I find WHM harder” are you discussing the healing side in dungeons or aiming to Gold parse P12S because that’s two totally different things

I agree WHM healing feels clunky, but it is also infinitely easier to play WHM from a damage perspective to a high orange level than it is dealing with AST playing yugioh in the burst window

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

Endgame players aren’t most of us…. The vast majority of us aren’t there and most may never be there.

WHM is just the most popular because it is the basic healer job that anyone can pick up from level 1 without any complications or weirdness. You go from a starting character green icon Conjurer to green icon White Mage without having to do any research about it….

Scholar requires 30 levels of Arcanist first, which feels weird for a healer, even though Arcanists get Physik early on.

I can’t even get SGE yet and I in for a few solid weeks of playtime at this point!

Not everyone rushes to “Endgame” most of us are just playing the game…

[ZephyrMenodora]

Endgame players aren’t most of us…. The vast majority of us aren’t there and most may never be there.

WHM is just the most popular because it is the basic healer job that anyone can pick up from level 1 without any complications or weirdness. You go from a starting character green icon Conjurer to green icon White Mage without having to do any research about it….

Scholar requires 30 levels of Arcanist first, which feels weird for a healer, even though Arcanists get Physik early on.

I can’t even get SGE yet and I in for a few solid weeks of playtime at this point!

Not everyone rushes to “Endgame” most of us are just playing the game…

This is why context to these conversations is important. Like you said, only a small percentage of the playerbase really engages with endgame content. Yet most conversations tend to focus only on those that do.

[MonsutaMan]

I was actually considering unsubbing for the free-trial, but I have zero desire to get those BLU spells again or sitting through those missions.......

[ChonkGoblinSuprem]

The people that really fall into a game tend to be those who post on the forums, makes sense…

There has been an insular “hardcore” crowd of MMORPG gamers who use a similar playbook. They tend to write off any and all of lower level content as nothing but “the grind” to get to the “real game” of whatever it is that they get up to. Gatekeeping goes hand-in-hand with the grind. I’ve just been playing a bunch of different MMORPGs since Ultima Online (and count the old 90s Neverwinter Nights as at least a proto-MMORPG) and never once made it to “endgame” in one of them. It seems like that same group has been present in all of them…. and I’m not a fan.

[AlexiaD]

The people that really fall into a game tend to be those who post on the forums, makes sense…

There has been an insular “hardcore” crowd of MMORPG gamers who use a similar playbook. They tend to write off any and all of lower level content as nothing but “the grind” to get to the “real game” of whatever it is that they get up to. Gatekeeping goes hand-in-hand with the grind. I’ve just been playing a bunch of different MMORPGs since Ultima Online (and count the old 90s Neverwinter Nights as at least a proto-MMORPG) and never once made it to “endgame” in one of them. It seems like that same group has been present in all of them…. and I’m not a fan.

Literally anybody can do any content in FFXIV in crafted gear, what gatekeeping is there exactly ?

[AwesomeJr44]

Literally anybody can do any content in FFXIV in crafted gear, what gatekeeping is there exactly ?

If anyone finds the answer to this question, I need to see it. I'd love to gatekeep people from my PF parties.