At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[MintnHoney]

if hardcore gamers are always looking for "add-ons" to make the game easier are they really "hardcore" ?

I would say that it's because they're so hardcore that they end up looking for add-ons that make things more comfortable for them.
A true casual wouldn't give a damn, because what do they care if they can't see or do something that they should probably see? They'll hopefully do or see it anyway, eventually.

[Xlantaa]

I don't think so. People who use mods is a very small percentage of player base despite what people in this forums says. Even the people who uses it will shrug and continue playing without them. You also should count the people who plays on consoles, which cannot use mods even if they want. I would say only very small mount will actually quit if they can't mod.

[fulminating]

I don't think so. People who use mods is a very small percentage of player base despite what people in this forums says. Even the people who uses it will shrug and continue playing without them. You also should count the people who plays on consoles, which cannot use mods even if they want. I would say only very small mount will actually quit if they can't mod.

ffxiv active playerbase according to a quick google is roughly 0 -

One of the simple tweak plugins has 3.3 million downloads, chat bubbles half a million, unsure on mare but going off how regularly people have it in their adventure plate probably somewhere of that order.

Taking a modest 50,000 as active users and a generous 1,000,000 as active players, that's still 1 in 20 or 5% minimum who use mods. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was 1 in 5 or 20% or as high as 1 in 3 or 33.3% using a more realistic set of values.

Of course I don't know how central this is to their enjoyment of the game, but it definitely looks like everyone involved including SE is playing with fire.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I don't think so. People who use mods is a very small percentage of player base despite what people in this forums says. Even the people who uses it will shrug and continue playing without them. You also should count the people who plays on consoles, which cannot use mods even if they want. I would say only very small mount will actually quit if they can't mod.

I wish it wouldn't violate TOS to prove just how wrong you are.

[Jojoya]

I wish it wouldn't violate TOS to prove just how wrong you are.

Tell the mod community to unsub for all of patch 6.5 and only return for 7.0. That doesn't violate the ToS and would demonstrate just how much (or how little) of the community only plays because of mods.

[Wilford111]

I wish it wouldn't violate TOS to prove just how wrong you are.

You're the wrong one but okay.

[Theodric]

You're the wrong one but okay.

He's not. Anyone can go to Twitter and search the FFXIV tag there to see how a significant number of players openly make use of heavy modding...and that's just the players who don't show any tact or subtlety. If you dig deeper, you'll find that there's also people making money through selling mods to other players.

Over time, the game's demographics have shifted to accommodate such players. It's very likely why a lot of glamour and furniture for houses is now 'venue bait'. As well as features such as gpose being implemented as 'content'. The development team aren't oblivious to what is going on behind closed doors.

[Ivtrix]

He's not. Anyone can go to Twitter and search the FFXIV tag there to see how a significant number of players openly make use of heavy modding...and that's just the players who don't show any tact or subtlety. If you dig deeper, you'll find that there's also people making money through selling mods to other players.

Over time, the game's demographics have shifted to accommodate such players. It's very likely why a lot of glamour and furniture for houses is now 'venue bait'. As well as features such as gpose being implemented as 'content'. The development team aren't oblivious to what is going on behind closed doors.

According to a friend balmung quicksands has 3 synchshells, and they’re all full.

[AlexiaD]

I don't think so. People who use mods is a very small percentage of player base despite what people in this forums says. Even the people who uses it will shrug and continue playing without them. You also should count the people who plays on consoles, which cannot use mods even if they want. I would say only very small mount will actually quit if they can't mod.

this you?

Or it's the perfect time to do it because consoles can't mod, and with 14 finally coming to Xbox the only hit would be the PC players so they could do it figuring the new influx of Xbox would off set what they lose on PC. While people may leave the big question is where would they go? Most people who leave because of that would end up coming back at the moment because there's no real competition for FFXIV. WoW competes among the raiders crowd their raids and mythic + is good but lack of housing kills it when comparing rp/glamour community. So really until Ashes of creation, or riots new MMO comes out I don't think ff14 has much to stress if they want to ban them or not. Though even if they were I doubt they would do it before 7.1, if they ban it before or right on 7.0 they risk the sales for the next expansion. Because in the end they are a company and want to maximize profits. now if they did move to ban mods, I would think they would be as a company trying to find a way to only scan once you enter a dungeon, raid or PVP. I don't work on anticheat I don't know if it's possible but they're going to put an one in I figure it would be something like that

I almost want it to happen just to see yall when limsa gets emptied by 50% of people or more, because most of those people are in limsa, venues and some also do raid, but a lot of them are hanging out in cities, remove them and watch what happens.

Also lol @ Xbox, since FFXIV came out people had the time to buy either a working console for it, or to buy a PC. Stop lying to yourself thinking there will be a giant influx of players.

[SaberMaxwell]

I can't think of any rp venues that will exclude you in any way if you're not using mods, especially since all of them are client side. Can't think of any bartender that'll go "ohp laddie yeh ain't got no mare, getcher smart tuckus outta here." As far as paying for mods, yeah some do and its weird. $1,000 in mods though...feels like at that point the person was a whale already, and if they didn't spend it on XIV mods they'd have dumped it on a gacha. Either way, not my cash so I won't judge.

As for raiding plugins, none are needed except ACT. Noclippy is extremely nice for people not parked on the server though, since SE is stubborn about how animations work. Clearly the smartest way to handle ping is to run the animation lock twice, once when client says and once when server says, that won't cause issues for people with >40ms ping! "Fixing this is impossible." -SE.

I don't think the game would die. I think it would choke and sputter out of the big 5, perhaps, especially when not during patch week because a lot of people would vanish between story patches. Square would probably put XIV on maintenance mode eventually after that point, or push the devs to return to a 3 month patch cycle as they see the money printer run out of ink. General player anger at getting locked behind "Soon:tm:" would grow immensely since SE would be directly taking responsible for any and all qol.