At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[SieyaM]

This isn't a situation unique to XIV though, most MMOs if not all have third party tools that large portions of the players have become accustomed to. Some even design their content with third party tools being necessary, so this isn't just XIV having poor design or being some kind of strange lower quality outlier, if anything it's just part of the industry standard at this point and it would be exceptional for an MMO to not have any third party tools associated with it or the need for them in any capacity.

[RitsukoSonoda]

That's why I doubt they'll ever be like a anticheat that is all encompassing the game all the time. Now what I do assume as this game is like wow and that when you join a dungeon PVP or raid you're playing this content on a separate server then your actual world server (wow I know does this cuz at times you can see the world server crash but people in the raid would be fine). So I can see them adding an anticheat scan for when people enter these activity looking for third party addons when you join these servers. That's the only way I see them do it.

This game has instancing servers for duties and such. It's actually something that everyone not aware of beforehand became fully aware of during Stormblood with the infamous "Raubahn and Pippen EX" Where the instancing server queues were so overloaded people couldn't get into duties.

[NanaWiloh]

I’m pretty sure instanced content is already separate from the world servers since I’ve been dcd after the world servers while in an instance (ie servers going down for patch) as well as multiple times over the past couple tiers where the world servers are fine but the instance servers are laggy asf

Idk tho I’m not IT so I could be wrong

Edit; this also sounds like a very anti Raider solution, SE wouldn’t pick and choose they would go all in or nothing so idk if this would be an actual solution from them

You are correct Instances are handled by separate servers and not the world servers.

[CidHeiral]

Nice to know it’s not too too hard to find. I’ve heard a lot of complaints about more casual RP like above is the dominant choice and wasn’t sure exactly how hard it would be to find more high fantasy oriented players

Most venues with actual roleplaying have moved off of PF and into Discords or other websites. It's hard to compete when your medieval tavern PF is sandwiched between 800 listings for the same pretend nightclub. I run one myself every Wednesday. We get a decent amount of regulars and have a great time each week but the crowd is nothing compared to the horde of bees knees zombies and ERPers at the "clubs."

I think there's definitely still an audience for real RP at more lore accurate venues, I see people hungry for exactly that come through every week, but unfortunately it is quite difficult for that sort of venue to get its name out these days. Also I think a lot of people interested in that kind of RP have looked at the sea of "EXODIA NIGHTCLUB OPEN /W DJ SP0T1FY COME JERK OFF TO OUR COURTS!!!!1" and just given up.

[MistakeNot]

It's not just mods. It's also the community created resources. Who will keep playing the game if all FF14 Discords disappeared suddenly? Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created. Just think of content like Baldesion Arsenal. Almost no one would ever do it if the Discord dies. Or Savage. No one would do it if there are no guides. We owe far more gratitude to the community than to the developers.

You are mostly wrong - the community exists because people are playing the game, not the other way around.
But be that as it may - how is FFXIV different from any other MMO in this regard? Players use community-made information for all of them - and for plenty of single-player games as well.

[Mcg55ss]

This isn't a situation unique to XIV though, most MMOs if not all have third party tools that large portions of the players have become accustomed to. Some even design their content with third party tools being necessary, so this isn't just XIV having poor design or being some kind of strange lower quality outlier, if anything it's just part of the industry standard at this point and it would be exceptional for an MMO to not have any third party tools associated with it or the need for them in any capacity.

No not unique rare though, but usually companies that don't want 3rdparty have an anticheat to detect them, I know upcoming MMO Ashes of creation said they don't want third party add-ons but believe they also said they'll have anticheat from day one to ban users

[SieyaM]

No not unique rare though, but usually companies that don't want 3rdparty have an anticheat to detect them, I know upcoming MMO Ashes of creation said they don't want third party add-ons but believe they also said they'll have anticheat from day one to ban users

Anti-cheat software often doesn't do anything more than cause issues on PCs or gunk up net traffic. They often don't disable third party mods, PSO2 has an anti-cheat on it and mods are still very much in use for it. SE also uses Denovo for it's anti-cheat software for the games they have released that do have it, and it seems particularly bad for PCs burning out SSDs because of it's excessively high read and write rate to the drive.

[Mcg55ss]

Anti-cheat software often doesn't do anything more than cause issues on PCs or gunk up net traffic. They often don't disable third party mods, PSO2 has an anti-cheat on it and mods are still very much in use for it. SE also uses Denovo for it's anti-cheat software for the games they have released that do have it, and it seems particularly bad for PCs burning out SSDs because of it's excessively high read and write rate to the drive.

Lol Denovo was unconfirmed on that, and I don't put any stock in unconfirmed claims majority of time is people that don't take care of their stuff. It's like people were saying ff16 is burning up consoles but when they actually looked at it it was people that's consoles were not taken care of and didn't have room to breathe. Now I will agree any anticheat just creates a war, most are broken within the first 24 hours of release and then they got to update to stop what bypass them and then the modder is going to try to work around to find a new way to bypass and it's a never-ending cycle.

[Shinkuno]

Anti-cheat software often doesn't do anything more than cause issues on PCs or gunk up net traffic. They often don't disable third party mods, PSO2 has an anti-cheat on it and mods are still very much in use for it. SE also uses Denovo for it's anti-cheat software for the games they have released that do have it, and it seems particularly bad for PCs burning out SSDs because of it's excessively high read and write rate to the drive.

This is modder/cheater fearmongering. The only anticheat that had widespread issue that cant be chalked down to user error is vanguard. You are just scared they take your tittymods away. BTW Denuvo has been proven to have no system impact and all cases of denuvo performance impacts have been confirmed to be due to inhouse DRMS being used ontop. Also Denuvo, while they do work on an anti cheat iirc, is a DRM, not a anti cheat.

[LilimoLimomo]

To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?

Setting aside the needless black-and-white thinking you're proposing, here's an experiment you should try: uninstall FF14, and then tell me how much value you get out of the add-ons you've listed here.