At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[Koros]

Since you never had any need or reason to go poking into any logs I may have had ( or not as I dont use ACT or any addon ), I do want to express my appreciation in proving my point on how dps logs and FFlogs are abused and misused.

Your kind assistance in showing exactly why dps meters are banned in FF 14 is noted.

literally NO ONE is looking up your logs, it's your own lodestone profile comment ROFL

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]Leave it to people that know what they are talking about or direct people to the balance discord where they can ask questions to people that can actually help them.

Gods no don't direct him to the Balance Discord he'll be flamed alive.

The thing is, they probably already in one. Specifically because they tend to write up a long winded chatGPT generated essay that often sprinkled with those ‘general, popular guide/advice/tips’-passages, but then later proved that they lack the wisdom to speak all of that.

Could’ve done better if people actually play the game more (in turn, getting better at it) but can you blame anybody? It’s all just 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Forum arguing is more fun.

[Saraide]

Here is my hot take for the day: if you hide your logs you are already taking FFlogs too seriously.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

I doubt most players use mods.

[DixieBellOCE]

So..to suit an agenda, Dixie DELIBERATELY went digging into a persons Lodestone and character with the single intent of picking it apart.

Thats the definition of armory trolling.

I didn't realize clicking a persons name on the forums is 'digging'.

Better not click on anything on the website guys, its offensive and you may hurt the feelings of one of the Hampsters.

Here is my hot take for the day: if you hide your logs you are already taking FFlogs too seriously.

I mean you aren't wrong.

If it upsets people so much they should just flat ignore it, hiding it isn't going to make any difference

No, they're actively giving him advice because he's doing something wrong.

I know I know, advice is not welcome in FFXIV, but yeah, it quite literally is advice.

In other games, being competent is normal. In XIV its a surprise.

[Kes13a]

The only reason why they are banned in the game is people get their feelings hurt by the fact they might be underperforming, and also refuse advice on how to get better (which by the way, you also called it "armory trolling" when it's quite literally advice, thank you for proving my point)

that is a wonderful take. so in your opinion, the reason its not allowed is because of the victims? you have claimed to be against bullying and harassment in any form, so reading you victim blaming is an interesting view on why they are banned. no mention at all of the bullying and harassment that they open up. are some too thin skinned? certainly, but you cant just conveniently ignore the other reasons just because you want to back up Koros

[Stormpeaks]

that is a wonderful take. so in your opinion, the reason its not allowed is because of the victims? you have claimed to be against bullying and harassment in any form, so reading you victim blaming is an interesting view on why they are banned. no mention at all of the bullying and harassment that they open up. are some too thin skinned? certainly, but you cant just conveniently ignore the other reasons just because you want to back up Koros

What is the deal with yall always saying "why are you backing titanmen" "why are you backing up koros" "why are you backing up awesomejr"

can I not have an opinion for myself ? Like seriously lmao

also stop with the victim blaming stuff, being told "You are underperforming, you should try practicing x,x and x" is not harassement or bullying, of course there are bad apples, like in every game, but no matter if the intent is good or not, in most cases in FFXIV it's just denied because telling someone (and even advicing them) to get better and how to is categorized as a crime and an unforgivable act, people even get banned for it, basically you are supposed to accept people how they are, and if you dare open your mouth, be ready to get the hammer for 3 days or more. That aint healthy.

[Zeastria]

The only reason why MMOS is and still is played for so long..is because of the competitive nature of humans..
People deep down desire to be acknowledged, cuz that is something they rarly experience in life..
While some want to feel superior.

[Sebazy]

The only reason why MMOS is and still is played for so long..is because of the competitive nature of humans..

Eh not really. For a lot of people, MMOs are glorified mIRC chatrooms. It's a quick and easy social fix. There are huge swathes of the FFXIV community that aren't even remotely competitive nor are they interested in that aspect of the game. Even amongst some raiders there are plenty that are there purely because they enjoy tackling the content puzzle with friends.

[Akibaws]

What kind of people are playing the game long-term?

How many people use ReShade? How many people use mods? We can now say that a significant portion of this game's playerbase are only here because of the mods, which allow them to fix the game's issues, like Viera hats, or for more, shall we say, mature activities. And what about more advanced mods that synchronize your modded appearance? Or poses that depict characters in... suggestive poses with others?

What about raiders? What even drives people to do reclear after reclear once they get BiS? FFLogs and going for high percentiles. And most of the game's clunky systems and opaque mechanics like the damage formula could not have been figured out without the aid of third party tools. The openers and rotations that you copied from the Balance are partially the product of ToS-violating third party tools.

Even many non-raiders depend on ToS-violating third party tools to fix this game's atrocious systems, such as being able to double-weave without clipping, or to be able to block out a persistent stalker completely from the screen.

Even third party tools that are not ToS-violating:

Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

BA and DRS depend on Discord to coordinate runs. Even Savage and Ultimate depend a lot on Discord especially if you want to get an early clear.

Achievement hunters compete on leaderboards like lalachievements.

I ask you: If all these fixes and features that the community developed disappear, with not one iota of help from the game developers, will the game even survive? To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?

- Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

Not everyone does, some youtubers and streamers I watch create their own using excel calculations. But yeah the vast majority use sims you're right.