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  1. #81
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    Removal/Deny of any and all third-party-tools would just hurt Square's wallets as they would lose subscribers. We'd need something a lot more larger to happen as Mods are bit more subtle as you can't really know who is using them or not unless you're friends or share... Something that would affect everyone's desire to play or effects the gameplay directly regardless. Think...
    • Company Scandals
    • Heavy P2W features like lootboxes implemented
    • NFT implications on Mogstation
    • Heavy Job imbalances or broken interactions causing outrages
    • Consistent disconnect/lag issues for long periods
    • Subscription cost increased heavily
    • Large exploitation practices, think duplication glitch
    • Dev's leaving or god forbid? passing away.
    And most of what's on this list is not applicable to FFXIV or the Dev's and its creator. No matter how many flaws FFXIV currently has and we could name up or throw plenty at the Forum threads, it's not going to die by removal of third party tools and mods, mhm.
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    I mean EW patches have put in a lot of QoL and we don't even know what 7.0 QoL will bring either which could make the game even better for particular players. They still have a way to go but they're getting through it slowly but surely and implementing things people hadn't even thought of and are thankful for. The problem is it wouldn't matter how many mods get implemented, more will come about of it because the people downloading QoL mods actually go a step further then QoL...yeah there is improving systems to be more intuitive and modern but some just go so far as the game to play itself (not saying this game so much at the moment but definitely in other games)

    I love how console players just continue to crack on with it all and its always the PC players holding up the pitchforks in these situations. I bet half the console players don't even go to the forums or reddit or discord, I remember when crossplay in other games wasn't a thing and then games like Call of Duty brought it in and everyone was like yeahh!! can play with my PC friends etc and now its like shit leave us alone we want to just play with console cause PC is a cheating/hack fest lol.

    Also I'm not sure why the lead troller here has a weird boner for the erp community or thinking everyone left playing this game is only doing erp....that is such a weird hill to die on.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNight View Post
    What kind of people are playing the game long-term?

    How many people use ReShade? How many people use mods? We can now say that a significant portion of this game's playerbase are only here because of the mods, which allow them to fix the game's issues, like Viera hats, or for more, shall we say, mature activities. And what about more advanced mods that synchronize your modded appearance? Or poses that depict characters in... suggestive poses with others?

    What about raiders? What even drives people to do reclear after reclear once they get BiS? FFLogs and going for high percentiles. And most of the game's clunky systems and opaque mechanics like the damage formula could not have been figured out without the aid of third party tools. The openers and rotations that you copied from the Balance are partially the product of ToS-violating third party tools.

    Even many non-raiders depend on ToS-violating third party tools to fix this game's atrocious systems, such as being able to double-weave without clipping, or to be able to block out a persistent stalker completely from the screen.

    Even third party tools that are not ToS-violating:

    Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

    BA and DRS depend on Discord to coordinate runs. Even Savage and Ultimate depend a lot on Discord especially if you want to get an early clear.

    Achievement hunters compete on leaderboards like lalachievements.

    I ask you: If all these fixes and features that the community developed disappear, with not one iota of help from the game developers, will the game even survive? To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?
    What about you being an RMT player that masquerades on the forums as a doomsayer and troll? Plus talking about 3rd party tools and mods is against ToS on the forums.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    FFXIV went from "the MMO that doesn't need mods" to "that one moddable MMO" overnight. Of course, people love it because "it doesn't affect anyone", except...when half the screenshots posted on X (Twitter) are hardcore porn, some of which includes child NPCs. I guess that also doesn't affect the game, right?



    Mare has at least 20,000 people logged in at any given moment. That's around the same amount as people who play on Steam. Thus, banning Mare alone (which doesn't encompass all mods) would have the same impact as removing the game from the Steam store.

    Surely it won't impact anything, right? So let's try it!
    Most of the Mare users I know definitely wouldn't stop playing the game if it was disabled. They would be really bummed out about it but that's all, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    Removal/Deny of any and all third-party-tools would just hurt Square's wallets as they would lose subscribers. We'd need something a lot more larger to happen as Mods are bit more subtle as you can't really know who is using them or not unless you're friends or share... Something that would affect everyone's desire to play or effects the gameplay directly regardless. Think...
    • Company Scandals
    • Heavy P2W features like lootboxes implemented
    • NFT implications on Mogstation
    • Heavy Job imbalances or broken interactions causing outrages
    • Consistent disconnect/lag issues for long periods
    • Subscription cost increased heavily
    • Large exploitation practices, think duplication glitch
    • Dev's leaving or god forbid? passing away.
    And most of what's on this list is not applicable to FFXIV or the Dev's and its creator. No matter how many flaws FFXIV currently has and we could name up or throw plenty at the Forum threads, it's not going to die by removal of third party tools and mods, mhm.
    Why are y'all pretending Square isnt a company like any other? They have skeletons in the closet just like any other company, some already exposed some still hidden probably. The reality is people dont really care about a company unless it lines up with their opinion about the product

    People dont enjoy ubisoft collect-a-tons so Ubisoft = bad, they burnt out from playing WoW for 15 years so Blizzard = bad. They dont really care what goes on inside the company until they stop enjoying the product. Thats why noone cared that during KH3 development there was some issues with sexual harassment. Thats why noone of the playerbase cares that Square is heavily doubling down their NFT investment when every other (gaming) company is already pulling out. Thats why noone cares that Square is investing the money from FF14 into p2w gacha mobile games that they shut down within a year after they milked the whales. All that will not matter until the people stop enjoying the game, then Square will be the worst company ever to those people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos View Post
    What about you being an RMT player that masquerades on the forums as a doomsayer and troll? Plus talking about 3rd party tools and mods is against ToS on the forums.
    If anything it just shows how little they care about ToS breaching as long as it lines up their pockets. RMT = Sub money, Modders = Sub money
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    The game did quite well before any mods had been developed.
    Everyone who plays on a console - and they are a significant chunk of the players - manage just fine without being able to use any mods.

    Should all mods somehow cease functioning all at once - which is unlikely in the extreme to ever happen - then I am sure there would be a noticable drop in players, but I am also sure the game would survive handily.
    It's not just mods. It's also the community created resources. Who will keep playing the game if all FF14 Discords disappeared suddenly? Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created. Just think of content like Baldesion Arsenal. Almost no one would ever do it if the Discord dies. Or Savage. No one would do it if there are no guides. We owe far more gratitude to the community than to the developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNight View Post
    It's not just mods. It's also the community created resources. Who will keep playing the game if all FF14 Discords disappeared suddenly? Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created. Just think of content like Baldesion Arsenal. Almost no one would ever do it if the Discord dies. Or Savage. No one would do it if there are no guides. We owe far more gratitude to the community than to the developers.
    nope, I think you are wrong. people play the game because of the game, and thats how a community forms. the community did not create the game.
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    People just casually pretending mod users aren't like a quarter or more of the player-base at this point.
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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    People just casually pretending mod users aren't like a quarter or more of the player-base at this point.
    not at all. people are casually saying that not virtually all pc users use mods... as the OP contends
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    nope, I think you are wrong. people play the game because of the game, and thats how a community forms. the community did not create the game.
    Agreed.

    As hard as this is for some people to believe for whatever reason, a ton of people genuinely just...like the game. They enjoy playing it. Those people are probably going to keep playing it unless mods make it unplayable, which is unlikely. Mods being removed wouldn't affect a lot of people. And of those it affected, many of them would keep playing it, they just might be bummed about losing their mods. Like I was bummed about not having an Exploration Zone this expansion. Yet here I am, still playing the game and still finding things I enjoy in it.
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