At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[TheNight]

What kind of people are playing the game long-term?

How many people use ReShade? How many people use mods? We can now say that a significant portion of this game's playerbase are only here because of the mods, which allow them to fix the game's issues, like Viera hats, or for more, shall we say, mature activities. And what about more advanced mods that synchronize your modded appearance? Or poses that depict characters in... suggestive poses with others?

What about raiders? What even drives people to do reclear after reclear once they get BiS? FFLogs and going for high percentiles. And most of the game's clunky systems and opaque mechanics like the damage formula could not have been figured out without the aid of third party tools. The openers and rotations that you copied from the Balance are partially the product of ToS-violating third party tools.

Even many non-raiders depend on ToS-violating third party tools to fix this game's atrocious systems, such as being able to double-weave without clipping, or to be able to block out a persistent stalker completely from the screen.

Even third party tools that are not ToS-violating:

Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

BA and DRS depend on Discord to coordinate runs. Even Savage and Ultimate depend a lot on Discord especially if you want to get an early clear.

Achievement hunters compete on leaderboards like lalachievements.

I ask you: If all these fixes and features that the community developed disappear, with not one iota of help from the game developers, will the game even survive? To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?

[Amenara]

Probably not.

[caffe_macchiato]

FFXIV went from "the MMO that doesn't need mods" to "that one moddable MMO" overnight. Of course, people love it because "it doesn't affect anyone", except...when half the screenshots posted on X (Twitter) are hardcore porn, some of which includes child NPCs. I guess that also doesn't affect the game, right?

Probably not.

Mare has at least 20,000 people logged in at any given moment. That's around the same amount as people who play on Steam. Thus, banning Mare alone (which doesn't encompass all mods) would have the same impact as removing the game from the Steam store.

Surely it won't impact anything, right? So let's try it!

[DixieBellOCE]

FFXIV went from "the MMO that doesn't need mods" to "that one moddable MMO" overnight. Of course, people love it because "it doesn't affect anyone", except...when half the screenshots posted on X (Twitter) are hardcore porn, some of which includes child NPCs. I guess that also doesn't affect the game, right?



Mare has at least 20,000 people logged in at any given moment. That's around the same amount as people who play on Steam. Thus, banning Mare alone (which doesn't encompass all mods) would have the same impact as removing the game from the Steam store.

Surely it won't impact anything, right? So let's try it!

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Honestly the biggest issue with the modding community.

They don't know where to draw the line and keep pushing the boundries of what they can get away with, i really hope SQE do crack down and they might learn their lesson.
I used twitter for a few days and was just bombarded with hardcore XIV porn on a constant basis, and it was disgusting. If that is what the playerbase has become, SQE should have cracked down earlier.

[myssy]

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Honestly the biggest issue with the modding community.

They don't know where to draw the line and keep pushing the boundries of what they can get away with, i really hope SQE do crack down and they might learn their lesson.
I used twitter for a few days and was just bombarded with hardcore XIV porn on a constant basis, and it was disgusting. If that is what the playerbase has become, SQE should have cracked down earlier.

This! All 3rd party programs are not ok just doesn't work. We need to draw the line somewhere and it's SE's job to draw the line. For example there is a huge difference between using discord, getting a hat mode for viera, using ACT, using cactbot, housing mods, botting ones that automate crafting & gathering or botting an ultimate or market board. All add ons are not the same and shouldn't be treated the same way. All 3rd party programs are against toss benefits most the people who stretch the rules furthest. We need more open discussion like wow where dews are clear about what is ok and what is not.

Other thing i don't understand why people say that they are ok with mods, i'm personally ok with some of them but for me i don't like botting mods and feel they are unfair. Are you really ok with all mods and not just some?

[Aword3213]

when half the screenshots posted on X (Twitter) are hardcore porn, some of which includes child NPCs. I guess that also doesn't affect the game, right?

And these kind of images just appear on your twitter feed out of nowehere!!! I wonder why

[Syln]

And these kind of images just appear on your twitter feed out of nowehere!!! I wonder why

Here we have to type of people : Those who will come across a turd on the street and walk around and those who will actively look for said turd, roll in it and complain about the smell

[PercibelTheren]

FFXIV went from "the MMO that doesn't need mods" to "that one moddable MMO" overnight. Of course, people love it because "it doesn't affect anyone", except...when half the screenshots posted on X (Twitter) are hardcore porn, some of which includes child NPCs. I guess that also doesn't affect the game, right?



Mare has at least 20,000 people logged in at any given moment. That's around the same amount as people who play on Steam. Thus, banning Mare alone (which doesn't encompass all mods) would have the same impact as removing the game from the Steam store.

Surely it won't impact anything, right? So let's try it!

Most of the Mare users I know definitely wouldn't stop playing the game if it was disabled. They would be really bummed out about it but that's all, really.

[TheNight]

Probably not.

Oh? The number of synchronized users active online at any moment is almost equal to the number of Steam online users. Just deleting that alone will get roughly 10-20% of players unsubbing once they realize they can't ERP.

[Amenara]

Oh? The number of synchronized users active online at any moment is almost equal to the number of Steam online users. Just deleting that alone will get roughly 10-20% of players unsubbing once they realize they can't ERP.

Just not a fan of making up numbers with no basis on scenarios that aren't currently happening and no way of knowing or really even giving an intelligent guess towards because who knows if the players using mods are solely playing FF14 because of them. It feels like rage baiting because you are bored or something.