G-give it Back T---T; !!

[Karious]

Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Gatekeeping is good. Get with the program.

[Ransu]

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main.

Any DRK player from HW era who still plays DRK and doesn't miss dark arts is lying.

At this point so do I just so they can stop talking about how much they miss it and go back to complaining about the actual issues SAM has...

There wasn't really any issues with Sam prior to 6.1. The few that were, were minor and easy to fix.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

In Bravely Default 2, Dark Arts is also a Pictomancer ability. If we actually get Pictomancer I could see them giving Dark Arts to Pictomancer. At least in name, but not effect.

Boi I'll Daub-debuff all over Square Enix if they do that and hit them with critical everything.

[CelestiCer]

This is definitely not true. My friend has parsed 100 in every fight for Samurai and genuinely thinks the job is better without it. There are definitely people out there that don't want it back, but those that do are a lot more vocal about it. It's also one of those topics that people are afraid to speak out publicly against because they don't want to be called trolls or feel harassed like the devs were for removing it.

Click on this link if you truly think this is... nothing... " Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal " - being silenced is nothing new, we get that treatment from SE a lot and definitely not limited to Samurai...

" Hissatsu: Kaiten " served to not devolve our rotation into Shinten spamming which is what it is now. Debates on the balance against certain crayon eaters I spoke against in the SAM lounge with all offense? just view anything that gets in the way of a perfect parse a nuisance, bad party members in their view included... RNG, Crit variance, Positionals, faulty strats... anything. If a players desire is just a funny number on some website? then anything that simplifies a Job is a pro as it removes another that stood in the way of a high or 100 parse, which I find a terrible mindset for our Gameplay...

" A button you press every-time " excuse of an argument point to showcase something being to easy i.e in their opinion Hissatsu: Kaiten... that I'll get thrown at me for the 100th time, when we press literally every button every time making it a flawed argument by so many players and parsers included... giving me the say that we can remove anything now that is deemed " easy " in our skill kits... for their precious darned logs...

I could agree beyond the meme's that if the player in terms of fun find Samurai better without Kaiten? that's a subjective view on Fun, sure. It being better now in design however? that we're button bashing Shinten as the only meaningful Kenki Spendor... is absolutely moronic...

Absolutely Salute the cosplayer, the 160+ Samurai threads in the DPS subsection, over what 12 video's of content creators about Kaiten... many of us are not apologetic about being passionate about a tiny part of the game no. If your friend is passionate about a number and nothing else much? won't knock it, but I want my Kaiten back... beneficial for their damn Parses or Not... mhm.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You can identify people that were actually good at SAM pretty fast by their opinion on bringing back Kaiten.

You can also look at my history on a certain site and see certain numbers were higher with than without. I still don't want it back.


In fact, you can see I did best in 4.x, during Sigma, when sam was arguably the jankiest it's ever been.



My favorite playstyle of it is still 5.x, it was near perfect at the end of 5.5. Yet that wasn't because of kaiten.



They made sam terrible with 6.0, before kaiten was removed, not after. Nerfing setsugekka just to add it back as a 120s CD ability ruined sam.

[Karious]

Sam just doesn't hit the same without Kaiten. Only reason I ever use Samurai anymore is because its the only one with a Pagos relic completed and I've been playing SAM in Pyros rather than starting an entirely new relic weapon. Kaiten still sits there on my hotbar... Waiting for the day it comes back.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I respect your ironclad dedication to Kaiten.

I still keep it on my hotbar in memoriam, it was a good skill and I miss the satisfaction of actual Midare/Ogi crits.

[Noox-115]

Following video links of content creators regarding Kaiten

4-01-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - Thoughts Samurai Changes
4-02-2022 - Misshapen Chair - My Samurai 6.1 Changes Thoughts
4-05-2022 - Alninio - FFXIV - 6.1 NEW Samurai - Kaiten Is REMOVED
4-06-2022 - Misshapen Chair - I am the FFXIV Villain
4-10-2022 - Trinimmortal - How I feel about the samurai changes in 6.1...
4-11-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - FFXIV - Patch 6.1 Samurai Changes | What are you doing Square Enix?
4-11-2022 - SurfiePlays - My THOUGHTS On Samurai's Job 6.1 Changes | FFXIV Patch Notes
4-14-2022 - Ilya Dalamiq - Thoughts On The Samurai Changes | Patch 6.1 - FFXIV Endwalker
4-23-2022 - Trinimmortal - HAS ANYONE FOUND MY KAITEN - FFXIV Patch 6.1
8-04-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE YOURSELF
8-20-2022 - Xenosys Vex - Xeno Rants About Crit & Direct Hit In Final Fantasy 14
8-25-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE OTHER PEOPLE
8-07-2023 - Preach Gaming Cosplay reaction

Square asked us for Feedback? we gave it...
- In thread format
- In video format
- In meme-ing format
- In cosplay of all things at a fanfest...

" Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal "

There are many more threads / videos / links and I probably missed... it's just a lot... bring it back...



= Bring Back Kaiten =

I will jinx it, they will put it back with a 60sec CD and no Kenki cost

[AlexiaD]

yeah this obsession is weird, miss me out on that, really cringe at this point tbh