G-give it Back T---T; !!

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

A quick check shows me the last time you raided with SAM was in Shadowbringers. Why, pray tell, did you stop?

Because I personally don't play Samurai as much as I play tanks. I never had a problem with playing Samurai before nor after. And as much as that devalues my previous comments, as I am fully aware - there is always the option that whoever you are looking up for their parses has more than one character which you wouldn't know unless they told you. To save you the mystery, I don't.

To the original point though, when I said "I" I meant that as a collective for players who don't miss Kaiten, not "I" myself. The point was to call out the baseless claim that it's a two-camp split between "the good SAMs who want Kaiten back" and "the bad SAMs who don't want Kaiten back". One can be biased for all I care, but this is just a strawman argument.

[Karious]

Sam just doesn't hit the same without Kaiten. Only reason I ever use Samurai anymore is because its the only one with a Pagos relic completed and I've been playing SAM in Pyros rather than starting an entirely new relic weapon. Kaiten still sits there on my hotbar... Waiting for the day it comes back.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I respect your ironclad dedication to Kaiten.

I still keep it on my hotbar in memoriam, it was a good skill and I miss the satisfaction of actual Midare/Ogi crits.

[Burmecia]

Kaiten was removed so they could give it to Corsair.

Please be this.

[Noox-115]

Following video links of content creators regarding Kaiten

4-01-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - Thoughts Samurai Changes
4-02-2022 - Misshapen Chair - My Samurai 6.1 Changes Thoughts
4-05-2022 - Alninio - FFXIV - 6.1 NEW Samurai - Kaiten Is REMOVED
4-06-2022 - Misshapen Chair - I am the FFXIV Villain
4-10-2022 - Trinimmortal - How I feel about the samurai changes in 6.1...
4-11-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - FFXIV - Patch 6.1 Samurai Changes | What are you doing Square Enix?
4-11-2022 - SurfiePlays - My THOUGHTS On Samurai's Job 6.1 Changes | FFXIV Patch Notes
4-14-2022 - Ilya Dalamiq - Thoughts On The Samurai Changes | Patch 6.1 - FFXIV Endwalker
4-23-2022 - Trinimmortal - HAS ANYONE FOUND MY KAITEN - FFXIV Patch 6.1
8-04-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE YOURSELF
8-20-2022 - Xenosys Vex - Xeno Rants About Crit & Direct Hit In Final Fantasy 14
8-25-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE OTHER PEOPLE
8-07-2023 - Preach Gaming Cosplay reaction

Square asked us for Feedback? we gave it...
- In thread format
- In video format
- In meme-ing format
- In cosplay of all things at a fanfest...

" Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal "

There are many more threads / videos / links and I probably missed... it's just a lot... bring it back...



= Bring Back Kaiten =

I will jinx it, they will put it back with a 60sec CD and no Kenki cost

[Ransu]

Why? Because I genuinely don't care about Kaiten I was apparently not good at SAM? Is that really what we're going to assume here?

There can be SAM players who were great that want Kaiten back.
There can be SAM players who weren't great that want Kaiten back.
There can be SAM players who were great that DON'T want Kaiten Back.
There can be SAM players who weren't great that DON'T want Kaiten back.

If you need a coping mechanism, go get a coping mechanism but don't assume how good someone was at Samurai back then based on how much they want Kaiten back now. That's a strawman if I've ever seen one.

A sam player that doesn't want kaiten back was never really a sam main. May as well just remove kenki and stickers while we're at it and go full yolo sam. People have complained forever about how this game keeps getting simplified, and then when a certain group dislikes a change that makes sam even more simplistic people are suddenly fine with it.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

A sam player that doesn't want kaiten back was never really a sam main. May as well just remove kenki and stickers while we're at it and go full yolo sam. People have complained forever about how this game keeps getting simplified, and then when a certain group dislikes a change that makes sam even more simplistic people are suddenly fine with it.

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main. Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Look, I get you guys are genuinely mad since 6.1, I well acknowledge this but does every single SAM thread have to turn into a segregation between Kaiten-loving-good-SAMs and Kaiten-not-loving-bad-SAMs? The core of the issue, before as after, is that Samurai Kenki spending has been monotonous. The difference between a Shinten and a Kaiten button press is so minimal, I literally couldn't care less.

Seigan? 50-gauge Guren/Senei? Alternative Kenki spending options that actually do something other than damage that still synergizes with SAM's damage tool kit? Maybe a reduction in base Kenki generation if its generated too much? What about giving Shinten -> Kyuten a sort of synergy? Like:

Shinten -> Next Kyuten has Shinten Potency
Kyuten -> Next Shinten is AOE

But no, it has to always be Kaiten, nothing else.

[AlexiaD]

yeah this obsession is weird, miss me out on that, really cringe at this point tbh

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main. Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Look, I get you guys are genuinely mad since 6.1, I well acknowledge this but does every single SAM thread have to turn into a segregation between Kaiten-loving-good-SAMs and Kaiten-not-loving-bad-SAMs? The core of the issue, before as after, is that Samurai Kenki spending has been monotonous. The difference between a Shinten and a Kaiten button press is so minimal, I literally couldn't care less.

Seigan? 50-gauge Guren/Senei? Alternative Kenki spending options that actually do something other than damage that still synergizes with SAM's damage tool kit? Maybe a reduction in base Kenki generation if its generated too much? What about giving Shinten -> Kyuten a sort of synergy? Like:

Shinten -> Next Kyuten has Shinten Potency
Kyuten -> Next Shinten is AOE

But no, it has to always be Kaiten, nothing else.

The funny thing to me is how the insist losing kaiten was the problem, not the reduction in cost of guren/senai, not the Nerfing of setsugekka just to replace it with a new ability on a 120sec CD.



Just kaiten.

[TheMightyMollusk]

While we're at it, I want Grenado Shot back on MCH.