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  1. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkuno View Post
    And now imagine if there were 60 buttons.. oh wait you only have a limited set of button combinations you can hit We have now as many buttons stretched over 90 levels as we had in stormblood stretched over 70. We dont get more, we get stuff ripped out and replaced. All because they need to fit the controller button limit. In 10 years we will have the same amount of skills stretched over 150 levels.
    So, we've got two possible rationales here:
    1. The devs are trying to keep under ~35 buttons despite even controllers having access to 48. For this reason alone, they in roughly equal parts (A) recycle abilities, giving back near-identical skills at higher levels, and (B) put out uncreative bloat or unpolished clunk that is then, at best, removed and replaced with a newer, shinier recycled or equally half-assed ability.

      [I.e. controllers hold back job kit design.]

    2. The devs recycle abilities even while having a quarter to third spare space for the same reason they so often put out uncreative bloat or unpolished clunk: because it apparently isn't worth their bother to invest so much time over more than a handful of jobs' quality of gameplay.

      [I.e., Creative bankruptcy / insufficient job developers / low perceived profitability of spending that much time on jobs' quality of gameplay / insufficient developer effort for whatever reason... holds back jobs' quality of gameplay.]

    Given that the first has never come close to being the actual bottleneck, I'm having trouble believing it's the key factor here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Also, claw-gripping
    Claw-gripping has nothing to do with how many keys are available to you... It is only done to be able to move and look around while using those keys.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 08-28-2023 at 03:43 AM.

  2. #192
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    So, we've got two possible rationales here:

    1. The devs are trying to keep under ~35 buttons despite even controllers having access to 48. For this reason alone, they in roughly equal parts (A) recycle abilities, giving back near-identical skills at higher levels, and (B) put out uncreative bloat or unpolished clunk that is then, at best, removed and replaced with a newer, shinier recycled or equally half-assed ability.

      [I.e. controllers hold back job kit design.]

    2. The devs recycle abilities even while having a quarter to third spare space for the same reason they so often put out uncreative bloat or unpolished clunk: because it apparently isn't worth their bother to invest so much time over more than a handful of jobs' quality of gameplay.

      [I.e., Creative bankruptcy / insufficient job developers / low perceived profitability of spending that much time on jobs' quality of gameplay / insufficient developer effort for whatever reason... holds back jobs' quality of gameplay.]


    Given that the first has never come close to being the actual bottleneck, I'm having trouble believing it's the key factor here.



    Claw-gripping has nothing to do with how many keys are available to you... It is only done to be able to move and look around while using those keys.

    Yes, and it's uncomfortable as hell to me. I wasn't saying it had anything to do with the number of keys. But if you need to be uncomfortable to access all the combinations of keys, it's not a good design.
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  3. #193
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Yes, and it's uncomfortable as hell to me. I wasn't saying it had anything to do with the number of keys. But if you need to be uncomfortable to access all the combinations of keys, it's not a good design.
    You literally don't need to use it to access all combinations of keys. I just said as much in what you quoted. Why respond to a quote you haven't read?

    *I* use it because it's *more* comfortable for *me* (than moving my thumbs back and forth). You can do all that without claw-grip, just by moving your thumbs a bit more. That just happens to be more painful for me over time than claw-grip.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 08-28-2023 at 04:13 AM.

  4. #194
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  5. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Easily my favorite Jim Carrey movie. Bruce Almighty is a close second though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  6. #196
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    You can have your one button back that got removed in 6.1 when SCH get their seven buttons back that got removed in 5.0. (I fully expect them to attempt to remove Energy Drain again in 7.0)

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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Easily my favorite Jim Carrey movie. Bruce Almighty is a close second though.
    Imagine a sequel where instead of just 1 person being unable to lie, the entire world was effected... >.>
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  8. #198
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Imagine a sequel where instead of just 1 person being unable to lie, the entire world was effected... >.>
    Liar Liar: World's On Fire

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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 08-28-2023 at 10:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    You can have your one button back that got removed in 6.1 when SCH get their seven buttons back that got removed in 5.0. (I fully expect them to attempt to remove Energy Drain again in 7.0)

    The pain I felt after getting back from an 8 month long deployment at sea, separating from the Navy with an Honorable Discharge, driving back home and booting up my PS4 to see what new changes Shadowbringers brought to the game just to be immediately slapped in the face by this grotesque homunculus that took the place of my favorite class was immeasurable.
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    Bring back cleric stance! DPSing as a healer should come with a risk!
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