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  1. #141
    Player Shinkuno's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RosaliaDLB View Post
    Expected better from you tbh, yikes

    moving on lol
    Well, if you go as low as being the equivalent of a MSQ dungeon casual trying to have a discussion about endgame raiding, thats on you. You basically became what you made fun of all the time. Discussing things that dont affect you.
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  2. #142
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    Hey Cel I think you're a pretty cool person. I wouldn't really concern yourself with what others think though. Even my opinion is really just that.

    You're jokes are just a fun little quirk you have and I think you should stick with it and fight the good fight!

    If not for me, if not for yourself, do it for Kaiten.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  3. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    Hey Cel I think you're a pretty cool person. I wouldn't really concern yourself with what others think though. Even my opinion is really just that.

    You're jokes are just a fun little quirk you have and I think you should stick with it and fight the good fight!

    If not for me, if not for yourself, do it for Kaiten.


    Kind words Renalt, thank you

    In Raid groups like last night attempting to help them, I still crack Kaiten-meme's to cut the serious tension. I know some can have raiding anxiety, and a light-hearted joke with encouraging words can go along way. Specially when a Tank by accident let me tank a tankbuster and I'll just throw out my macro
    - Hey look I am tanking :3 ... Oh crap D: !! I'm Tanking DX !! -

    Samurai's already lost a lot. Recently a total of up to 7 simplifications. While some warranted QOL or necessary to adapt to the changing environment, it made the gameplay without question easier. For many? Hissatsu: Kaiten removal went to far. Yet if you search back enough? Other Jobs lost and waited way more then us to regain nothing. I don't play other Jobs, but it's not uncommon to see lost skills being mentioned i.e Aero III / Dark Arts and SMN... everything. Even for BRD I had to recently request a history lesson in the DPS subsection. Got a kind informative response from BRD changes all the way back to Heavensward. Players are not even requesting un-playable difficulty for their Jobs, rather to preserve or improve their Job's gameplay with depth, substance, flavor, skill-expression that can be entirely optional to master or what was lost replaced with something. Our Samurai outrage turned into Action...
    • We were told to go to the Forums, so we did
    • A total of 160+ Threads now written
    • The JP forums made a Mega thread
    • Content creators created 12 videos for it
    Square gave Radio silence... Other roles mocked us telling us this is your 1st rodeo of being ignored by Square? when we didn't mock no one for giving their feedback. If constructive analysis doesn't work, we started meme-ing it. Then the unexpected Cosplayer with the " Bring back Kaiten " sign, thought it was great! felt like sharing it here instead of the DPS forum and you start to see the lengths we go to preserving our gameplay or wanting it improved out of " passion ".

    And Instead? many demand us to be silent like the grave as if the past haven't taught us anything that staying silent doesn't improve our gameplay... As time passes, less start to care to the point of forgetting to care... only until the next hollowing change happening or culling of another Skill or Job feature. Hence I often say that I prefer to draw the line at " somewhere " vs " nowhere ". I disliked many simplifying changes, but for me and many? " Hissatsu: Kaiten removal " was just one change to far, mhm
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  4. #144
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    Sadly... I do not have much faith anything will get SE to return the skill.

    Instead in Dawntrail SAM will get some new skill called Jugemujugemugokonosurikirekaijarisuigyonosuigyomatsuunraimatsufuraimatsukunerutokoronisumutokoroyaburakojinoburakojipaipopaipopaiponoshuringanshuringannogurindaigurindainopopkopinoponpokonanochokyumeinochosuke
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  5. #145
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    I would marry Celesti, but her heart already belongs to Kaiten. I pray that they return the skill someday, but they don't listen to the fans anymore.
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Sadly... I do not have much faith anything will get SE to return the skill.

    Instead in Dawntrail SAM will get some new skill called Jugemujugemugokonosurikirekaijarisuigyonosuigyomatsuunraimatsufuraimatsukunerutokoronisumutokoroyaburakojinoburakojipaipopaipopaiponoshuringanshuringannogurindaigurindainopopkopinoponpokonanochokyumeinochosuke
    Players were meme-ing it in the Balance Discord based off the unpopular additions of Shoha II / Senei from Shadowbringers. The Dev's probably felt the need to add something to go with the Expansion release, even though this created more bloat. A second charge to Meikyo and Tsubame isn't really that creative either? but it made us just theory craft jokingly that we would get more cheap succession skills on different buttons like Shoha III or even IV and a third shared option next to Senei and Guren also on a separate button to create more bloat. Uncreatively give us a third Meikyo and Tsubame charge? to really widen our already large burst window to 41+ seconds cause why not? And dont' forget to turn all our AoE's from Guren / Ogi Namikiri to our probably newly added Double-Enhanced Enpi into Circle AoE's cause reasons.

    Meme's Aside? I am hopeful enough that they won't do this, yet pessimistic enough to mentally preparing myself to be let down so I will not be surprised if any of this happens or worse, mhm.




    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    I would marry Celesti, but her heart already belongs to Kaiten. I pray that they return the skill someday, but they don't listen to the fans anymore.


    Wait.. Wha!?
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    Last edited by CelestiCer; 08-19-2023 at 04:06 AM. Reason: Give me back Kaiten DX !!!

  7. #147
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    Never say never but still show doubt that it may happen because didnt they brought back some old skills in these newer patched? The only one I can think of is the skill that lowers targets damage from Machinist
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  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    Players were meme-ing it in the Balance Discord based off the unpopular additions of Shoha II / Senei from Shadowbringers. The Dev's probably felt the need to add something to go with the Expansion release, even though this created more bloat. A second charge to Meikyo and Tsubame isn't really that creative either? but it made us just theory craft jokingly that we would get more cheap succession skills on different buttons like Shoha III or even IV and a third shared option next to Senei and Guren also on a separate button to create more bloat. Uncreatively give us a third Meikyo and Tsubame charge? to really widen our already large burst window to 41+ seconds cause why not? And dont' forget to turn all our AoE's from Guren / Ogi Namikiri to our probably newly added Double-Enhanced Enpi into Circle AoE's cause reasons.

    Meme's Aside? I am hopeful enough that they won't do this, yet pessimistic enough to mentally preparing myself to be let down so I will not be surprised if any of this happens or worse, mhm.








    Wait.. Wha!?
    Oh... but that skill will actually just be Kaiten Renamed... However you cannot set it to your skill bar or hotbar. It only activates if you flawlessly say the skill's name in a microphone... >.>
    (1)

  9. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Oh... but that skill will actually just be Kaiten Renamed... However you cannot set it to your skill bar or hotbar. It only activates if you flawlessly say the skill's name in a microphone... >.>
    Asking for a colleague: How seductively/longingly does the word need to be said to count as "flawless"?
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  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    I would marry Celesti, but her heart already belongs to Kaiten. I pray that they return the skill someday, but they don't listen to the fans anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post





    Wait.. Wha!?
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

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