Please dont bring back Relic Quest Zones

[Atelier-Bagur]

I have my own share of criticisms for variants and criterion as well. The most agreed point is that of the shallow rewards for doing criterion. Variants however dont suffer from this as much because of the nature of wanting to complete all entries and getting all the glams and emotes. Besides fixing the rewards to be much better for Criterion (such as introduce an alternate way to earn guaranteed savage gear; perhaps on a weekly basis if you want to pad it out). I would propose that they do introduce a Variant Roulette now that we're getting our 3rd variant dungeon coming 6.5. Perhaps even make it a tad unique by offering additional bonus tomestone rewards for making the group try to follow specified routes.

[Gember]

I personally do struggle to go back to Bozja and Eureka, but that is not because its bad content. Its because its old content and the incentive to get a relic has a lot less reasons to it. It just boils down to glamour when the expansion for it ends. However there is a lot of players who still do the relic quest zones to this day despite it being old. As long as there is fun glam to be obtain, a system to socialize, and a fun zone to explore; its completely valid to want it.

[TheNight]

So what if you need to join a discord outside the game to run the content, it’s an MMO you are supposed to team up with people and work with them

You forget that you're talking to a lunatic who played through the MSQ four times. They treat this game as a single player game.

[AwesomeJr44]

You forget that you're talking to a lunatic who played through the MSQ four times.

I'm never going to not find that hilarious.

Again, no hate towards alts themselves, but how is this guy gonna say any of this with a straight face?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm never going to not find that hilarious.

Again, no hate towards alts themselves, but how is this guy gonna say any of this with a straight face?

I fail to understand whats even the implication here and how this makes any of my points lack sense. I have yet to see you give any actual counter-arguments against what I stated in the OP. Unless you actually have nothing to add to the discussion

[TheNight]

Again, the problem is because of the very gated nature of BA because of its complex and difficulty, its not even a fun thing because you're being solely carried and you're expected to not goof around and shut up and follow the raid leaders like an oiled machine. This feeling doesnt happen at all with CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae where because the content isnt so restrictive, people have more personal agency which is the ideal in an MMO space. I dont want to sound like I'm giving flak to the discord people who do BA runs because like I said, without them, BA would just be dead, but at the same time I blame its terrible design that forces the content to be ran this way. Its not fully fun. Most people who do BA are mostly just glad they're done and over with it, got their Ozma mount and leave Eureka. And again, the fact that BA is solefully ran by very few dedicated discords groups doesnt speak to how well it does for the majority of the playerbase. Eureka still has a bad stigma because of how tedious, long and boring it is.

Also ok, you say this is an MMO and I'm supposed to team up with people. Alright lets say I do that. Can I grab a few of my buddies and do BA by ourselves for the heck of it? No? Whats that, if I do so, we mess up those dedicate discord groups of their schedule because theres only 1 BA instance? Oh Im sorry I guess I cant.

Sounds like a skill issue? I've main tanked and was a BA lead after just a few clears. It isn't hard.

[TheNight]

I fail to understand whats even the implication here and how this makes any of my points lack sense. I have yet to see you give any actual counter-arguments against what I stated in the OP. Unless you actually have nothing to add to the discussion

It means your preferences are so far away from the norm that you're indeed, unironically, special, so very special that the developers should probably not listen to you because most people don't share your very unique preferences.

Yes, what this means is that you're in an infinitesimally small minority. And your overtures of castigating other normal players as being in the minority just seems deliciously ironic in retrospect.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It means your preferences are so far away from the norm that you're indeed, unironically, special, so very special that the developers should probably not listen to you because most people don't share your very unique preferences.

Yes, what this means is that you're in an infinitesimally small minority. And your overtures of castigating other normal players as being in the minority just seems deliciously ironic in retrospect.

Ok so Im not saying my points are gospel but again let me check what I said in OP:

1. Relics should have varied objectives and unique lore tied to each weapon

2. Exploratory zones should have more progression activities and options besides FATE farms

3. Allow crafters and gatherers to contribute to the zone

4. Bigger FATES that give you zone specific progression loot (whatever it may be) and be akin to World Quests like WoW rather than small skimishes and bosses

5. Evolve exploratory zones to be more than what it is rather that play it safe and pad out the content with minimal activities for the sake of a long grind

Alright soo...why are all of these points bad for that content again? Can you please debate me why these are bad?

[TheNight]

"Just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private-" Im not even gonna finish that statement that you just said...because are you actually kidding me? Do you not HEAR yourself how ridiculous that premise is? Imagine if all content is designed in such a restrictive way. And thank you SO MUCH for proving my point for why the BA groups enforce people to run the content is such a way...because its not well designed at all! Actually you know what, the design would be actually fine...if BA actually allowed you to form your own party and do the content yourself, at your own pace without messing up the instance for the rest of the players.

I ask you again, pleeeease tell why do you think the devs didnt repeat this level of restriction for CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum? Why do you think they made it more accessible?

You're not going to do those raids anyways so why do you care? Go back to doing MSQ on your fifth alt.

[TheNight]

Have you heard of delubrum savage

The biggest joke is that he would have ever even heard of the concept of high level content.