Fishing, Its time to bring it in line with the other gathering jobs!!

[SdeSpencer]

You could say this to everything. Grinding relics, leveling classes, decorating your house, doing extremes, savage, ultimate, roulettes etc. pp. And yet people do it.

I. really disagree. If you feel this way about ANY content that's a sign you're either burned out or the content has serious issues, and if you're feeling that way about most content points heavily to the former. Most of the things you mentioned are meant to either be mostly passive, or feel rewarding to have done. not to mention for most other grindy content that ISN'T rng based, there's the appeal of getting closer to your goal and seeing the percentage go up even before you actually get it.

[TaleraRistain]

I felt that way about this savage tier too.

Yeah I definitely feel that. That's not to say you can't look back on what you accomplished and feel happy and proud. Whether it's catching that big fish or Savage, I definitely have that feeling both that I'm glad it's done and I'm glad I did it and that I feel it was worth doing. I think the difference for me is that I knew with Savage it was in my hands and under my control. So I value what I accomplish there more than enduring the frustration and tedium of trying to catch big fish.

[ACE135]

I. really disagree. If you feel this way about ANY content that's a sign you're either burned out or the content has serious issues, and if you're feeling that way about most content points heavily to the former. Most of the things you mentioned are meant to either be mostly passive, or feel rewarding to have done. not to mention for most other grindy content that ISN'T rng based, there's the appeal of getting closer to your goal and seeing the percentage go up even before you actually get it.

Nowhere have I said that I personally feel that way about the content I listed.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah I definitely feel that. That's not to say you can't look back on what you accomplished and feel happy and proud. Whether it's catching that big fish or Savage, I definitely have that feeling both that I'm glad it's done and I'm glad I did it and that I feel it was worth doing. I think the difference for me is that I knew with Savage it was in my hands and under my control. So I value what I accomplish there more than enduring the frustration and tedium of trying to catch big fish.

You can buy/get carried through savage and ultimates tho. You know when you see a bigfish title it was earned and that person suffered along with you. Maybe to a lesser degree. Maybe a greater one.


I've only caught 2 of the current legendaries. Furca is evading me like crazy, and a friend caught 2. I'll still use the title, while this savage tier had no gear i wanted for glamour and p12s will never be touched again.

[SdeSpencer]

You can buy/get carried through savage and ultimates tho. You know when you see a bigfish title it was earned and that person suffered along with you. Maybe to a lesser degree. Maybe a greater one.


I've only caught 2 of the current legendaries. Furca is evading me like crazy, and a friend caught 2. I'll still use the title, while this savage tier had no gear i wanted for glamour and p12s will never be touched again.

Hm, so to be clear, your stated reasoning for not wanting fishing to change to be more skill intensive and less based on Pure RNG and massive time gaps is because you feel like it's something you've "earned" and that anyone who displays they have the title "suffered". To be clear?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Hm, so to be clear, your stated reasoning for not wanting fishing to change to be more skill intensive and less based on Pure RNG and massive time gaps is because you feel like it's something you've "earned" and that anyone who displays they have the title "suffered". To be clear?

No. I don't want it to be changed to remove the RNG of fishing because that would completely ruing what fishing is.



The other things are just observations about differences between people with ultimate titles and people with fishing titles.





Also, I find it funny that people want to remove RNG from fishing, but another group wants to add RNG to raiding.

[TaleraRistain]

You can buy/get carried through savage and ultimates tho. You know when you see a bigfish title it was earned and that person suffered along with you. Maybe to a lesser degree. Maybe a greater one.

Reducing the RNG and replacing it with player agency and necessity of utilizing skills more effectively is still earning it, though.

[Eraden]

Mao confusled. Mao nots know enough to comment on other aspects of the fishings, but Mao so curious as to why some peoples so adamantly opposed to has more storage (tackle box). Surely to has more storage of any kind is QoL improvement, is it not?

[Sindele]

Using the skills effectively already cuts the RNG by a significant factor. It just doesn't eliminate it.

But, well, that's not particularly atypical for the no-reward-but-accomplishment grinds that exist in the game. They're long-term objectives meant to give people something to pursue between more focused goals. Changing it would be to ruin the point of it.

If you don't like it, don't do it. There's literally nothing of consequence behind it.

(And if you're doing it for the achievement points, be honest with yourself. Any prestige that exists in these accomplishments directly correlates to its suffering quotient. You're not likely to reach the top of the leaderboards unless someone else is paying your bills anyway, so why do the stuff you hate?)

Mao confusled. Mao nots know enough to comment on other aspects of the fishings, but Mao so curious as to why some peoples so adamantly opposed to has more storage (tackle box). Surely to has more storage of any kind is QoL improvement, is it not?

I don't think anyone has opposed tackle storage, much less adamantly. It's just ancillary to most of the arguments being made.

[Eraden]

Using the skills effectively already cuts the RNG by a significant factor. It just doesn't eliminate it.

But, well, that's not particularly atypical for the no-reward-but-accomplishment grinds that exist in the game. They're long-term objectives meant to give people something to pursue between more focused goals. Changing it would be to ruin the point of it.

If you don't like it, don't do it. There's literally nothing of consequence behind it.

(And if you're doing it for the achievement points, be honest with yourself. Any prestige that exists in these accomplishments directly correlates to its suffering quotient. You're not likely to reach the top of the leaderboards unless someone else is paying your bills anyway, so why do the stuff you hate?)



I don't think anyone has opposed tackle storage, much less adamantly. It's just ancillary to most of the arguments being made.

Mao apologizes. Adamants opposition seen by Mao in older threads. In this thread Mao sees three peoples trying downplay other peoples wants for tackle box. Mao wants to know why these peoples trying downplay QoL improvement. Mao thinkings additional storage of any kinds is good thing.