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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ggwppino View Post
    Exact!
    They created the problem of ghosting and unresponsiveness in shB. There was no such problem before. Previously the pet worked fine.
    Instead of making it work fine, they decided, instead of introducing a new entity into the game, to lazily replace by resetting the "pet" entity, screwing up a system that worked perfectly before.

    Here it is clearly not the fault of the pet system, but it is the fault of the lack of desire and laziness to introduce a new entity that acts as a demi.
    If I could guess, adding a new actor to the combat setup could be something that requires a bigger overhaul to the game's code, as it seems to support only 1 extra actor (carby, fairy) and 2 additional ones outside of instances (chocobo + minion) and when they made it like that was without future-proofing back in ARR.

    Not that it's any justification to not do it, but maybe it would require way more work than it seems. I really think they should see to it because it might impact other aspects of the game positively, and I wonder if something like this was thought for 7.0... Maybe we'll only know by JP Fanfest.
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ggwppino View Post
    They created the problem of ghosting and unresponsiveness in shB. There was no such problem before. Previously the pet worked fine.
    I believe it started in SB with Demi Bahamut. Before that it wasn't an issue as you didn't have to queue several things in quick succession and it was only started being an issue when the summon disappeared, either for the Bahamut summon or the dismissal of Bahamut, meaning it couldn't execute the queued action.
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Carbuncle has to be some kind of weird code vestige that we just cannot shake, I cannot think of any real reason they insist on him being summoned in order to use the rest of your summoning kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Carbuncle has to be some kind of weird code vestige that we just cannot shake, I cannot think of any real reason they insist on him being summoned in order to use the rest of your summoning kit.
    If I could speculate... it would probably having something to do about the game's code infrastructure only supporting 01 combat entity at once. Probably the reason why the Seraph was also designed like that.

    I can imagine it simply because once they stated something like the fashion accessory taking the same slot as the minion, which is really weird to be just be a choice rather than working around a limitation. The game seems to be designed only with 3 available entities other than your cahracter: a combat pet (carby, fairy), a companion (chocobo) and a minion/mount/fashion accessory.

    This might be so ingrained in the game code that changing could affect a ton of things (not that is an excuse not to improve it).
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    Thereza Oseniah
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    I'd rather Carbuncle to no longer be a pet for the job at this point. Making it into a stance-like buff that is required for using summon-based actions would personally be more palatable than having a pet that's barely does anything while constantly desummoning/resummoning on the field. Lore reasoning? Maybe Carbuncle persists in your grimoire/index because it's a "special arcane construct" that is unique in doing that and attuning to your weapon is now just that easy for arcanists. Who knows, lore doesn't feel like it has much importance for the job anymore anyway.
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Quote Originally Posted by unjourneyed View Post
    I'd rather Carbuncle to no longer be a pet for the job at this point. Making it into a stance-like buff that is required for using summon-based actions would personally be more palatable than having a pet that's barely does anything while constantly desummoning/resummoning on the field. Lore reasoning? Maybe Carbuncle persists in your grimoire/index because it's a "special arcane construct" that is unique in doing that and attuning to your weapon is now just that easy for arcanists. Who knows, lore doesn't feel like it has much importance for the job anymore anyway.
    I wouldn't think lore reasons are keeping it around since before now once you got the egi summons you never saw Carbuncle again unless you glamoured it onto the egi summons. It would be that way again if they changed it to not having to be summoned at all to use the rest of the SMN kit, you would use carbuncle until you got the egi summons and then the final summons we have now at 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    I wouldn't think lore reasons are keeping it around since before now once you got the egi summons you never saw Carbuncle again unless you glamoured it onto the egi summons. It would be that way again if they changed it to not having to be summoned at all to use the rest of the SMN kit, you would use carbuncle until you got the egi summons and then the final summons we have now at 90.
    I always agreed with this option as well. If it's to be useless in combat, just make them optional to avoid visual clutter. And even better, they could let us glamour the Gem summons into them, so we would in fact get an actual 'fighting' version of a carbuncle.

    I wouldn't summon them in combat, but I'd certainly keep them while chilling in cities.
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    Ggwppino Yarappoi
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    I don't want to sound like an asshole and clearly my visibility is very limited, but on steam alone there are 36k paying players this month. 360k comes only from steam subscribers. Steam doesn't have the largest chunk of players, and each server holds around 5k players. European servers when you log in, whatever server it is, make you queue. 5k x 16 is 80k players. only subscriptions per month are 800k. I don't consider america and japan (but also china and korea) because they are not on those servers/games. In addition there is the shop and those too have entered. There are costs and everything you want, but with all the money coming in it's absurd that I read stuff like: it's not possible to have multiple pets at the same time.

    how much will it cost to make an Array of pet threads with their skill queue? a week of work, 2 weeks, a month? With 800k per month is it not possible to cut out a budget in order to solve this problem of the useless pet?
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    Last edited by Ggwppino; 08-09-2023 at 03:52 PM.

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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Yes Searing Light should come from Carbuncle but Carbuncle shouldn't be a pet. He should just poof in as part of the Searing Light animation (and Radiant Aegis) and then disappear, as the elemental summons do. The removal of Carbuncle as a pet would also afford the changes OP is asking for Fester and Painflare to be changed to Carbuncle actions.

    It is the insistence on Carbuncle being a pet that is required to be summoned that makes Carbuncles problematic in the first place. Just make them part of the ability animations and get rid of the pet aspect entirely.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 08-12-2023 at 11:30 AM.
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    Raveen Raines
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    The fact that scholar can now glamour their fairy into carbuncle is basically confirmation this will never happen.

    I’m just hoping for more summons. We’re basically a spell casting version of Clive from FF16.
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