Too strict in-game communication rules

[GTK0HLK]

aaannd,
it seems the thread is practically over.

As most are now back and forth, and the OP has officially gone into safemode/bluescreen

now focusing on comments that aren't focusing on things that are vaguely debatable or discuss able.

Hope you all have a good day
Remember,
Rules and Exceptions
(This whole thread was built on the latter. While the former didn't bother the majority at all)

[Boys]

aaannd,
it seems the thread is practically over.

As most are now back and forth, and the OP has officially gone into safemode/bluescreen

now focusing on comments that aren't focusing on things that are vaguely debatable or discuss able.

Hope you all have a good day
Remember,
Rules and Exceptions
(This whole thread was built on the latter. While the former didn't bother the majority at all)

Everyone has their limits. Sorry to dissapoint. Betetr luck next time?

[Jojoya]

Ironic how you can get reported for what you're saying here according to forum rules and take consequences on the forum and in the game accordingly. But I can take the punch and don't tell you haven't enjoyed giving it.

You might want to be safe and report me fast first! Stalin would be proud.

People can be reported for any reason at all. Reporting someone doesn't mean that a moderator (or GM if in-game) is going to take any action.

I've said nothing that violates the forum rules. Nor do I have any reason to report you.

If you're not interested in a constructive discussion, just say so.

[raelgun]

People complaining about how strict/bad SE is about banning are only telling me they didn't even try to read/understand the ToS/Prohibited Activity listing.

That or their mouth is so filthy they no longer comprehend how rude/crude they are.

Thing is, people say FF14 community is nice, but thats not true, the only reason why you don't get the public and this is the important part, public vitriol is because of the TOS.

TOS doesn't create a nice community, this playerbase is mostly a suppressed angsty vitriol community.

Is nice by actual inwards core or something thats suppressed to make it seem like it?

You know they actually make horror movies thats actually not that far off from the FF14 playerbase scenario come to think of it.

Considering how prevalent the sexual harassment between players in this game is, I'd rate actually this is a crude playerbase.

[Ranaku]

Thing is, people say FF14 community is nice, but thats not true, the only reason why you don't get the public and this is the important part, public vitriol is because of the TOS.

TOS doesn't create a nice community, this playerbase is mostly a suppressed angsty vitriol community.

Is nice by actual inwards core or something thats suppressed to make it seem like it?

You know they actually make horror movies thats actually not that far off from the FF14 playerbase scenario come to think of it.

Considering how prevalent the sexual harassment between players in this game is, I'd rate actually this is a crude playerbase.

That is just wrong, you can go online and ask people about the ToS. Most people will tell you that they have never heard about the community guidelines.

The reason why the XIV players are generally nicer is because they like the game they play, sure not all of them and you see the toxic trash that comes out of that here on the forums, which gives a much more positive environment.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I've had maybe three bad experiences with the in-game community in the entire time I've been playing. The community is the same as any other large group of random anonymous people. It averages out much nicer than most MMOs I've played, but whether that's about XIV's community being good or most MMOs being cesspits is open to interpretation.

[raelgun]

That is just wrong, you can go online and ask people about the ToS. Most people will tell you that they have never heard about the community guidelines.

The reason why the XIV players are generally nicer is because they like the game they play, sure not all of them and you see the toxic trash that comes out of that here on the forums, which gives a much more positive environment.

Then will you say other mmos and lets use WoW as an example to follow the same suit?

I think you are wrong, people have been drawn to this game in recent times due to understanding the terms applied to the game.

There is a reason why there is such a high influx of poor playing, because people feel protected by it.

Also people think they are playing the game because its a false sense of niceness, its just covered up - my post you quoted should be noted for the important part, PUBLIC - outside this FF14 community ranks amongst the worst.

[Archeron]

Then will you say other mmos and lets use WoW as an example to follow the same suit?

I think you are wrong, people have been drawn to this game in recent times due to understanding the terms applied to the game.

There is a reason why there is such a high influx of poor playing, because people feel protected by it.

Also people think they are playing the game because its a false sense of niceness, its just covered up - my post you quoted should be noted for the important part, PUBLIC - outside this FF14 community ranks amongst the worst.

I'd have to agree with this. WoW has tried to curb the behaviour of their player base, which largely did nothing. The social contract, and updated terms resulted in little change. The community knows there is no moderation, and the behaviour of its players as a result are that of the Wild West. Lets not even mention trade chat.

Now I don't think that FFXIV is nice, because they like the game. If that were the case, then we'd expect nice behaviour in most other highly rated MMORPG's. The thing is, that you will not find that in other MMORPG's. Why? XIV's harsh stance on poor behaviour especially regarding speech is well known. WoW players for instance, even those who love the game will be toxic in world chats, there is no fear of reprecussions for anything they say. In XIV, not being nice to someone can potentially put your account at risk. Effectively, this neuters the behaviour trolls can get away with, and other people who generally interact with people in a negative manner will just opt to not speak, or put up the niceness facade.

It only takes one look at communities, hosted outside of FFXIV to see that we are no better than the MMO's we criticize on a daily basis.

[Jojoya]

That is just wrong, you can go online and ask people about the ToS. Most people will tell you that they have never heard about the community guidelines.

The reason why the XIV players are generally nicer is because they like the game they play, sure not all of them and you see the toxic trash that comes out of that here on the forums, which gives a much more positive environment.

People loved playing WoW years ago as well but there was still a lot of toxic behavior even then.

To me the difference is that most of FFXIV's content isn't competitive in nature. One person playing poorly generally won't cause others in the party to lose more than a few extra minutes they'll have to spend in the dungeon. The rewards at the end won't change.

Competition has a tendency to bring out the worst in people, especially in those who take it too seriously. One person playing poorly can mean a loss to everyone in the party and some people have a hard time losing. Most MMOs have included some form of open world PvP so even if you don't opt into it, your game experience can still impacted by those who do.

Still, most players regardless of what game they're playing or content they're doing are absolutely fine. It's that small minority that's very vocal in unpleasant ways that set the tone the game community ends up associated with.

[Jeeqbit]

Now I don't think that FFXIV is nice, because they like the game. If that were the case, then we'd expect nice behaviour in most other highly rated MMORPG's. The thing is, that you will not find that in other MMORPG's.

I think that is also partially because of the aesthetic of FFXIV.

FF games have things that appeal to masculinity such as war and fighting and swords, challenges and killing bosses, but also things that appeal to femininity such as fashion, a story centered around emotion and feeling and characters telling you all their sob stories and cute things such as a cat and bunny race and lalafells. I once had someone beg me for a butterfly minion I looted in a dungeon. They had been farming it endlessly because it's cute. So I just gave it to them.

Whereas some other games have almost only got a focus on the war, fighting, swords, challenges, killing bosses, being competitive and the rest is largely forgotten about or an afterthought.

When choosing a game, some people will look at FFXIV and dismiss it in favor of one that is not full of things like emotion, feeling, sob stories, cats, bunnies, lalafells, butterflies.

But that also results in it appealing to people these other games would not.

To me the difference is that most of FFXIV's content isn't competitive in nature. One person playing poorly generally won't cause others in the party to lose more than a few extra minutes they'll have to spend in the dungeon. The rewards at the end won't change.

This is all a good point too. There is no point in being toxic in a dungeon, because you know that if you wipe you'll just all adjust and learn and clear on the second pull. Even the most clueless people will learn enough on the second pull to clear a FFXIV dungeon. So what is the point in being toxic?

Then there are other design decisions that help, such as a tomestone/experience bonus for helping the new player through instead of abandoning. A commendation system to make you think about what someone did well rather than what they did wrong.

Systems such as PvP and the Gold Saucer are designed in a way where, even if you lose, you still get really good rewards, just slightly less. Whereas if you got no rewards or lost rewards, people would be really angry and take it out on others (which most likely happens in games with such a design decision).

The game is designed to reduce toxic behaviour.