Too strict in-game communication rules

[Loke48]

So a normal dungeon session has 120 minutes, you just said you liked to waste 100 minutes of that alloted time. Wrong its actually 90 minutes which makes wasting 100 minutes of someones time while in a dungeon, worse...


Satasha isnt a "path" its linear, you cant skip slaves in the bossroom, you cant skip going to that boss cause you need a key, you can only skip one optional part of it. If one optional tiny area is "not linear" then i wonder how you see the Shadowbringers dungeons.

Ive gone though Satasha, and ive done it way too many times, you're being disingenuous, specially after this entire thread about being "Too strict in-game communication rules".
Your purposly wasting peoples time, and if they say no, that is a bannable offence thanks to the strict ingame communication rules.


I dont think you know the dungeon or people Jeeqbit, cause its neither sprawling, nor do you have plenty of paths to choose from, its litteraly 1 optional way to go though, then you gotta get back to the main path, and then its almot a straight way to the Captain bossroom.

[Jeeqbit]

So a normal dungeon session has 120 minutes, you just said you liked to waste 100 minutes of that alloted time. Wrong its actually 90 minutes which makes wasting 100 minutes of someones time while in a dungeon, worse...

I didn't say any such thing and you're attributing numbers to me that were originally said by you. The point I was obviously making is that a lot of new players just want to absorb themselves in this new game they are playing and aren't trying to rush through it. Some people might be trying to rush to level 90 to do the raids but many are not.

If one optional tiny area is "not linear" then i wonder how you see the Shadowbringers dungeons.

I see them as not having this "optional tiny area" and beside that there are 4 other optional areas visible on your map that you didn't highlight.

I dont think you know the dungeon or people Jeeqbit

You obviously don't understand that not all players are the same and that there is also a big difference between how you see things as a lost new player trying to make sense of FF14 and how you see things when you are an impatient veteran player trying to rush through a dungeon because you've already done it before.

[Loke48]

Jeeqbit, i dont think you understand the overall conversation of all of this.

Point is to never expect random strangers to let you take 80 minutes of their time, thats the entire point of all of this convo, show respect for the people your in a party with.
Satasha isnt a sprawling area, its linear, and sometimes, its ok. New players have a direct path, and if you want to show them a little extra, then you can show them the extra zone. Dont claim things that are untrue.

All players arent the same, true.. but if one person spent 80 minutes of both beginners time, and people who are experienced. Thats not good. If you want to explore the zone more.. Please use trusts, not people. If the FC your in are ok with you doing so. then go for it. But dont scare off new players saying something is sprawling or harder than it actually is.

Its not good.

I majority of people enjoy rushing, im not talking about fringe cases. As do the majority of people not enjoy their time being wasted. Talk with them, they talk with you, Seek to make people improve instead of making people stay in mediocrity, since a group is a team, and if there is a weak link, you should atleast seek to nicely make them improve.

I dont enjoy trying to heal and have my time wasted getting no progess, since i am joining via a roulette after all, if they dont want to improve and they want to waste my time because of spite, why should the ToS defend their behavior, instead of people who want to play this game?

[Jojoya]

Point is to never expect random strangers to let you take 80 minutes of their time, thats the entire point of all of this convo, show respect for the people your in a party with.
Satasha isnt a sprawling area, its linear, and sometimes, its ok. New players have a direct path, and if you want to show them a little extra, then you can show them the extra zone. Dont claim things that are untrue.

All players arent the same, true.. but if one person spent 80 minutes of both beginners time, and people who are experienced. Thats not good. If you want to explore the zone more.. Please use trusts, not people. If the FC your in are ok with you doing so. then go for it. But dont scare off new players saying something is sprawling or harder than it actually is.

Sastasha isn't there for the benefit of the veteran player. It's there for the new player to introduce them to group play in instances.

The roulette bonus is there to encourage you to help the new players.

If your time is that precious to you, don't do roulettes or direct queue for group content. There will always be someone that is wasting your time and there are other ways to earn XP and tomestones.

More than anything, it's attitudes like yours that help to encourage the dev team to focus on the solo player experience. You're certainly not interested in creating a positive group experience for others, and especially not the new players.

Try showing a little respect and empathy for others in your party that are new to the game and don't know what to expect. They aren't going to know that you've done the dungeon dozens of times in the past and are only there to get some tomestones. They're not even going to know what a tomestone is.

By the way, Sastasha can be cleared in 10 minutes with a new player in the party even if you stop in all the side chambers. It's really not the problem you make it sound.

If they want to go slow, they can make their own party, its actually that simple, people want to be done with roulettes, not do a sightseeing tour for sprouts

So can those who want to go fast.

The new player doesn't know what to expect. All the new player knows is that the game wants them to join a party with other players in Duty Finder to do the dungeon.

Have that many of you truly forgotten what it was like to play your first MMORPG with no idea of what was going to happen or how?

[Loke48]

I dont think you've thought through your response here Jojoya.

Expecting a party to be atleast somewhat competent, and them respecting my time, its a two way street, its not a "newbs can be toddlers and be meanspirited to you". They have to respect my time, as well as i respect their time. The posetive experience is blasting though the Satasha and actually being able to go though the storyline, cause people tend to see Satasha as a burden to be crossed, they just want to continue with the MSQ.

If me respecting my time, and others time creates a bad enviroment, then i think you need to really flip that. Players benefit from going though the dungeon faster, since Satasha doesnt really learn you anything important, if anything their MSQ does a much better job at learning them than Satasha will ever do.

My attitude improves the player experience, since people dont want to actually stay in Satasha, majority dont care.

Your Attitude and throwing around how its bad for accusations is the exact "Too strict in-game communication rules" caused by it. Cause instead of people improving or wanting to improve, they can sit back, enjoy a cup of coffee while everything is basicly handed to them. That doesnt make good players, nor does it make a more enjoyable experience.

The attitude is to do your job, but respect your time. If you dont, then sure go ahead, but players generaly want to finish satasha asap

[AwesomeJr44]

Point is to never expect random strangers to let you take 80 minutes of their time, thats the entire point of all of this convo, show respect for the people your in a party with.

If they want to go slow, they can make their own party, its actually that simple, people want to be done with roulettes, not do a sightseeing tour for sprouts

Agreed. I'm usually happy to help new players, but if a person (sprout or not) is making things take forever by not putting in proper effort, then I see that as even more rude than a veteran telling that person to git gud.

It's ok to be new at things and everyone has off days, but there's no excuse for a lack of effort. You should be trying your best to learn the game and your job, not freeloading on the rest of the party.

[Absimiliard]

You obviously don't understand that not all players are the same and that there is also a big difference between how you see things as a lost new player trying to make sense of FF14 and how you see things when you are an impatient veteran player trying to rush through a dungeon because you've already done it before.

You obviously don't understand that most people do not care. They have better things to do with their time than babysit a new leaf that refuses to fall in line. Time is a valuable commodity, and we're all slowly running out of it.

[AlexiaD]

You obviously don't understand that most people do not care. They have better things to do with their time than babysit a new leaf that refuses to fall in line. Time is a valuable commodity, and we're all slowly running out of it.

If they want to go slow, they can make their own party, its actually that simple, people want to be done with roulettes, not do a sightseeing tour for sprouts

[Jeeqbit]

You obviously don't understand that most people do not care. They have better things to do with their time than babysit a new leaf that refuses to fall in line. Time is a valuable commodity, and we're all slowly running out of it.

I literally said that veteran players have better things to do with their time than babysit a new leaf, when I said veteran players just want to rush through the content, so I understand that perfectly.

My point is that veterans will usually guide "leafs" through the duty in a linear way because they want to get the roulette done, even though a good percentage of those leafs would take their time and explore if a tank chose to do so.

And what if it is 4 leafs in the party or what if they are doing it with Duty Support? There is no guarantee, even, that there is a veteran player in the party and there is no guarantee any of them are trying to "rush to endgame".

Everyone is different and that is my point.