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    Quote Originally Posted by Boys View Post
    Issues builds up till critical mass, don't worry. But speaking about THE issue, the rules are the rules, they can be applied any time even if you were spared all this time.

    I will be honest I am not cute speaking guy, I was issued a warning today (I undrestand how pathetic the post looks now in that backgound) and of course GM won't tell what I said wrong (I can somewhat undrestand that policy). But thenI ask you to believe me that I don't ever have intentions to offense a person individually behind computer, but I let myself use profanity words like "shit" or "fuck me" in regard of situations (without adressing to someone personally). Words, which every kindergarden kid knows and use! I am not even like that in real life, and that's why I love the game to take on another life/personality (sounds like roleplaying in roleplay game).

    Then there was that situation. New controversial frontline frozen map with a lot of spawning pinatas-objectives which gives points for breaking it. The team solely focusing on objectives instead actually pvp-ing (not gaining more dps with kills-ranks and not controling the juiciest crystals) lose the game. So, in the very start of the match (chat was "sterile") I decided to bring the mood and typed in /shout "If you focus on crystals, I put them where light doesn't shine." It felt like trainer telling you not to suck this time and win. You can tell that cringe (what isn't really), but I am sure a lot of people would find that endearing and prefer that to (again) completely sterile chat for a minute. But guess what, if ONE person tell GM it made him a bit sad, BOOM - I am in trouble.
    Just so I understand the latter part of this post, you were mad that people were performing the objectives in a match that has objectives instead of ignoring them and doing what you wanted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Just so I understand the latter part of this post, you were mad that people were performing the objectives in a match that has objectives instead of ignoring them and doing what you wanted?
    I wasn't mad. It was the very start of the match (start countdown) to be mad at anything, I just decided to advice in that vulgar and invigorating manner. Mostly to enjoy use of that poetic phrase then advice really, but it didn't hurt to have actual meaning behind it (or so I thought). Funny thing is I can't be sure if that was the case or another instance of my performence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boys View Post
    I decided to bring the mood and typed in /shout "If you focus on crystals, I put them where light doesn't shine." It felt like trainer telling you not to suck this time and win. You can tell that cringe (what isn't really), but I am sure a lot of people would find that endearing and prefer that to (again) completely sterile chat for a minute..
    You and I must come from completely different worlds. There’s nothing endearing to it. To me it looks like a rude vulgar person trying to bully people. There’s nothing constructive to it either (it still doesn’t say what is best to do). Besides, I’ve never had a trainer speak like that and I would not rehire such a trainer if it were to happen. While I personally would not have bothered reporting it, I would not be surprised if someone did. People from different backgrounds, languages and cultures play this game, including on the NA servers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boys View Post
    That might be the issue. But then why can't GM tell stop using those words instead making it such a mystery. They don't even put that as obvious examples in their guide.
    Their guide is clear enough to understand where the boundaries are and I'm never afraid to help or speak in game chat.

    Next time, instead of saying “you got the wrong tactic” or using scatological references such as “if you focus on crystals, I put them where light doesn't shine”, just be constructive like “have you thought of doing x instead of y? it would have z result” or in the case of pvp, “btw if you focus on crystals only we will get less points than if we do this other strat” or “for max points it’s best to…” or in a raid, “watch for x mechanic”, “when the boss does x, you have to go to y”.

    "You suck" doesn't get anyone anywhere and just builds resentment; "look for the adds on the side of the arena" or "that big orange marker is a stack marker" might help get a smoother run.
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 08-05-2023 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    You and I must come from completely different worlds. There’s nothing endearing to it. To me it looks like a rude vulgar person trying to bully people. There’s nothing constructive to it either (it still doesn’t say what is best to do). Besides, I’ve never had a trainer speak like that and I would not rehire such a trainer if it were to happen. While I personally would not have bothered reporting it, I would not be surprised if someone did. People from different backgrounds, languages and cultures play this game, including on the NA servers.
    Your world is plain and boring, with that non-defiant spirit people would never get to that point of civilization, let alone invent computers and online games. Again, I wish there were special servers for less sensitive people. And I am saying again, EVERYONE (or at least many of those trying to seem very sensitive) would go there.
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    Last edited by Boys; 08-05-2023 at 01:33 PM. Reason: formating mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boys View Post
    Your world is plain and boring, with that non-defiant spirit people would never get to that point of civilization, let alone invent computers and online games. Again, I wish there were special servers for less sensitive people. And I am saying again, EVERYONE (or at least many of those trying to seem very sensitive) would go there.
    You've literally never heard of Alan Turing and it shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boys View Post
    Your world is plain and boring, with that non-defiant spirit people would never get to that point of civilization, let alone invent computers and online games. Again, I wish there were special servers for less sensitive people. And I am saying again, EVERYONE (or at least many of those trying to seem very sensitive) would go there.
    And there we have it, folks. As usual, the person complaining about people being thin skinned just acts like a rude jerk and doesn't like being called out for it.

    You can instruct and motivate people without being a dick about it. I would know, I'm a teacher, it's my literal job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    And there we have it, folks. As usual, the person complaining about people being thin skinned just acts like a rude jerk and doesn't like being called out for it.

    You can instruct and motivate people without being a dick about it. I would know, I'm a teacher, it's my literal job.
    He's absolutely thin-skinned. This entire topic was an ego-stroke because a mod called him out and he wanted vindication, troops rallied to his side and to educate us on topics he paints with a vague brush, yet having no strength in the topic at hand.

    Did you notice how he spends most of his time just quoting other people? He literally said that computers wouldn't have been made if people weren't defiant. It opens up a VERY interesting topic about, first of all, how wrong he is, and second of all, just how Turing was far from "defiant." The man was a victim because he was gay and took a bite out of a poisoned apple because he couldn't take it anymore. That's why the Apple logo has a bite taken out of it.

    There you go, Boys. That's TWO things you've learned today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkobra View Post
    He's absolutely thin-skinned. This entire topic was an ego-stroke because a mod called him out and he wanted vindication, troops rallied to his side and to educate us on topics he paints with a vague brush, yet having no strength in the topic at hand.

    Did you notice how he spends most of his time just quoting other people? He literally said that computers wouldn't have been made if people weren't defiant. It opens up a VERY interesting topic about, first of all, how wrong he is, and second of all, just how Turing was far from "defiant." The man was a victim because he was gay and took a bite out of a poisoned apple because he couldn't take it anymore. That's why the Apple logo has a bite taken out of it.

    There you go, Boys. That's TWO things you've learned today.
    This is a very frequent impression I get from people complaining about how thin skinned other people are. Maybe a mirror would help more than posting on forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    Lol no and since you were directly answering to me, my world, while polite, is full of excitement. I’ve lived across 12 different countries, speak several languages, dined with heads of state, sailed with Cousteau and in the Arctic, landed in pretty rough places, worked with “crazy scientists”, helped several communities getting the best of developments and much more. Being vulgar and rude is not exciting, it’s boring and closes many doors on you.
    Excuse me. Let me rephrase it in THAT definition of "world" -what world you leave for others less fortunate, without abilities or money ? Instructing sprouts in calm and absolutely respected manner using blunt phrases and words, without any emotional reward? Thank you, my lord, thank you, you're so generous. I have more rights and fun talking with strangers on my street then in virtual world which was supposed to connect people around the world. That what game you protect and make, enjoy your pride.

    Please don't start on that "everything is in your hands", there's various scinece disciplines of biology and sociology saying otherwise, how there are things effecting you and your life before you even get concieved.
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    Last edited by Boys; 08-05-2023 at 10:16 PM. Reason: specyfying

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