Too strict in-game communication rules

[raelgun]

That is just wrong, you can go online and ask people about the ToS. Most people will tell you that they have never heard about the community guidelines.

The reason why the XIV players are generally nicer is because they like the game they play, sure not all of them and you see the toxic trash that comes out of that here on the forums, which gives a much more positive environment.

Then will you say other mmos and lets use WoW as an example to follow the same suit?

I think you are wrong, people have been drawn to this game in recent times due to understanding the terms applied to the game.

There is a reason why there is such a high influx of poor playing, because people feel protected by it.

Also people think they are playing the game because its a false sense of niceness, its just covered up - my post you quoted should be noted for the important part, PUBLIC - outside this FF14 community ranks amongst the worst.

[Archeron]

Then will you say other mmos and lets use WoW as an example to follow the same suit?

I think you are wrong, people have been drawn to this game in recent times due to understanding the terms applied to the game.

There is a reason why there is such a high influx of poor playing, because people feel protected by it.

Also people think they are playing the game because its a false sense of niceness, its just covered up - my post you quoted should be noted for the important part, PUBLIC - outside this FF14 community ranks amongst the worst.

I'd have to agree with this. WoW has tried to curb the behaviour of their player base, which largely did nothing. The social contract, and updated terms resulted in little change. The community knows there is no moderation, and the behaviour of its players as a result are that of the Wild West. Lets not even mention trade chat.

Now I don't think that FFXIV is nice, because they like the game. If that were the case, then we'd expect nice behaviour in most other highly rated MMORPG's. The thing is, that you will not find that in other MMORPG's. Why? XIV's harsh stance on poor behaviour especially regarding speech is well known. WoW players for instance, even those who love the game will be toxic in world chats, there is no fear of reprecussions for anything they say. In XIV, not being nice to someone can potentially put your account at risk. Effectively, this neuters the behaviour trolls can get away with, and other people who generally interact with people in a negative manner will just opt to not speak, or put up the niceness facade.

It only takes one look at communities, hosted outside of FFXIV to see that we are no better than the MMO's we criticize on a daily basis.

[Jojoya]

That is just wrong, you can go online and ask people about the ToS. Most people will tell you that they have never heard about the community guidelines.

The reason why the XIV players are generally nicer is because they like the game they play, sure not all of them and you see the toxic trash that comes out of that here on the forums, which gives a much more positive environment.

People loved playing WoW years ago as well but there was still a lot of toxic behavior even then.

To me the difference is that most of FFXIV's content isn't competitive in nature. One person playing poorly generally won't cause others in the party to lose more than a few extra minutes they'll have to spend in the dungeon. The rewards at the end won't change.

Competition has a tendency to bring out the worst in people, especially in those who take it too seriously. One person playing poorly can mean a loss to everyone in the party and some people have a hard time losing. Most MMOs have included some form of open world PvP so even if you don't opt into it, your game experience can still impacted by those who do.

Still, most players regardless of what game they're playing or content they're doing are absolutely fine. It's that small minority that's very vocal in unpleasant ways that set the tone the game community ends up associated with.

[kaynide]

Thing is, people say FF14 community is nice, but thats not true, the only reason why you don't get the public and this is the important part, public vitriol is because of the TOS.

TOS doesn't create a nice community, this playerbase is mostly a suppressed angsty vitriol community.

Is nice by actual inwards core or something thats suppressed to make it seem like it?

You know they actually make horror movies thats actually not that far off from the FF14 playerbase scenario come to think of it.

Considering how prevalent the sexual harassment between players in this game is, I'd rate actually this is a crude playerbase.

I dunno what to say, maybe try a different server or region? Different regions seem to have different common sense/ethics/manners regarding online play and perhaps you are (unfortunately) in a bad one.

In game I have had maaaaybe 5 bad experiences in my nearly 10 years of play. On these English Forums? Man, trolls be out daily.

So, broadly speaking the FFXIV game FOSTERS a nice community, but if the region you are in or particular mix of peeps on your server stink, it’s not on FFXIV to fix that.

Jeeqbit’s post summed it up nicely.

[DragonFlyy]

It's not surprising people talk little in the game world (outside their groups) besides very basic and repeating messages (hi, gg, gratz, etc), it looks pathetic. There's rarely any natural interections in the world (when both sides can take a bit of bitting).

Have you read this? https://support.eu.square-enix.com/f...la=2&kid=68216
Basicly you can't even simply tell "your tactic is bad" without risking a report and consequences. I tell you with time (as more and more people face it in practice) this is gonna be one of the main reasons game will downfall with people "loosing balls" to talk to anyone.

They could as well just make a special adult server or chat channels for people which agree to talk and be talked to however they want (without constantly asking for "consent"). And let depressing people to live in their depressing world. But something tells me those people will be fast to change their offense evaluation and will accept cool kids server terms letting principles go as they take them - whenever it suits them.

Now the real talk, anyone here actually being "sucessfully" reported for something that minor? Please, don't give me that "just don't be a dick" stuff, I want to hear real stories. which can help me and others to decide if they want to continue playing in environment gravitating towards being sterile.

There is a difference between saying "your tactic is bad" and "hey I noticed you aren't using X skill, why?".

Giving constructive feedback is good and won't get you in trouble. Being a pr*ck to someone, will.

Have never been reported, because you know, I'm not a d*ck.

[Renalt]

There is a difference between saying "your tactic is bad" and "hey I noticed you aren't using X skill, why?".

Giving constructive feedback is good and won't get you in trouble. Being a pr*ck to someone, will.

Have never been reported, because you know, I'm not a d*ck.

But are you a goose?

[DixieBellOCE]

Idk the fragile mentality of most players is the reason people will never get better at the game.

We had a sprout join in EX6, asked him if he knew what he was doing.. Silence.
30 minutes of wiping to the same guy messing up, we asked him again, Do you know what you are doing?.. Silence.

Eventually somebody turned around and told him to "f" off and stop trolling everyone, and then he just answers with "reported, you can't tell me how to play".

Next day the person who said "f" off was on a 3 day ban.

The entire punishment system on XIV is a disgusting joke, you can intentionally troll people and never get touched, yet you say one thing wrong in chat, instaban.

[Koros]

Idk the fragile mentality of most players is the reason people will never get better at the game.

We had a sprout join in EX6, asked him if he knew what he was doing.. Silence.
30 minutes of wiping to the same guy messing up, we asked him again, Do you know what you are doing?.. Silence.

Eventually somebody turned around and told him to "f" off and stop trolling everyone, and then he just answers with "reported, you can't tell me how to play".

Next day the person who said "f" off was on a 3 day ban.

The entire punishment system on XIV is a disgusting joke, you can intentionally troll people and never get touched, yet you say one thing wrong in chat, instaban.

idk kick them??

people need to realize that you only win if you start kicking shitters

It is only defined that strictly in examples for the sake of coverage - basically so Square Enix has the authority and due process to be as lenient or as strict as they want without having to be concerned with players being able to sue or get out of the contract because it was full of loopholes and therefore not binding. You'll see most companies do exactly the same thing.

You're likely to never get in trouble for passively mentioning to someone that they are doing a mechanic wrong, or that they are even a bad player, so long as you do it in a respectable manner. It's just that Square Enix CAN be that strict, and they want that to be understood in documentation.

sure, and there are always overzealous GMs. Moderation is not consistent in this game lmao

[Saraide]

Idk the fragile mentality of most players is the reason people will never get better at the game.

We had a sprout join in EX6, asked him if he knew what he was doing.. Silence.
30 minutes of wiping to the same guy messing up, we asked him again, Do you know what you are doing?.. Silence.

Eventually somebody turned around and told him to "f" off and stop trolling everyone, and then he just answers with "reported, you can't tell me how to play".

Next day the person who said "f" off was on a 3 day ban.

The entire punishment system on XIV is a disgusting joke, you can intentionally troll people and never get touched, yet you say one thing wrong in chat, instaban.

Y'all could not have handled that situation worse if you tried. Walk me through that logic. You see someone who isnt communicating and clearly not ready/unwilling to participate properly and you let them continue for 30 minutes? Why didnt you kick after the first wipe they caused? You say they intentionally trolled. Then why did y'all act like they didnt?

New rule: you only get to complain about chat rules if you dont take the worst course of action imagineable.

[Jeeqbit]

We had a sprout join in EX6, asked him if he knew what he was doing.. Silence.
30 minutes of wiping to the same guy messing up, we asked him again, Do you know what you are doing?.. Silence.

Well there is some context we're probably missing here though, such as whether it was a practice or a farm party. And if it was a farm party, did they forget to use [Duty Complete]?

Eventually somebody turned around and told him to "f" off and stop trolling everyone, and then he just answers with "reported, you can't tell me how to play".

It's not necessary to say that though. It's easy enough to just leave, disband or kick the individual. Saying that is a cheap shot when you can just be practical and remove either them or yourself from the party so that you are no longer in a trap.

Now, yes, joining a farm party aimed at confident players when you are not confident in mechanics is cheap as well, but two wrongs don't make a right, so the practical thing is just separating them from the party somehow so they can consider training more in a practice party.