Mamool Ja's Broken English

[Eisi]

Yo!

So I assume in Tural they speak a different language right? Cause the Mamool Ja have problems with Eorzean/English and speak a grammatically broken version more often than not.

So unless everyone in Tural speaks English BUT the Mamool Ja, which is highly unlikely given the fact that they are living in a diverse society in which everyone would interact in the same tongue most probably that means that that tongue is different from Eorzean/English.

Meaning that if WE want to communicate with the people in Tural WE should learn their language first rather than assume they all speak English/Eorzean. Or maybe use auto-translator magic.

Am I missing something?

Will this be glossed over?

Will this be beautifully integrated?

Do I care too much?

[Cleretic]

My read has generally been that the Mamool Ja we've seen are speaking in broken Eorzean. The Echo can translate languages (evidently both ways, or else we'd have been pretty screwed for half of Stormblood), but it can't do much to clean things up when they aren't speaking clearly in the first place. Over in Tural the Mamool Ja will be speaking their mother tongue, so it'll be fine.

Alternatively, maybe that's just the Mamool Ja's thing, like how the sylphs struggle with names and first-person pronouns. Perhaps the Mamool Ja are perfectly intelligent, but don't feel the need to express that via complex language. If one or two words will get your point across perfectly fine, why structure a whole sentence around it?

[KageTokage]

Almost every spoken race in Etheriys seems to conveniently know Common for...some reason, so I don't think there's going to be any real issue there.

The dragons are the only ones we've seen who don't seem to necessarily know common, but their ability to use telepathy suggests it's strictly a formality used to make communication more comfortable for the mortal races, whether by conveying their intent in common like Vidofnir or actually speaking it in Vrtra's case.

[kaynide]

My read has generally been that the Mamool Ja we've seen are speaking in broken Eorzean. The Echo can translate languages (evidently both ways, or else we'd have been pretty screwed for half of Stormblood), but it can't do much to clean things up when they aren't speaking clearly in the first place. Over in Tural the Mamool Ja will be speaking their mother tongue, so it'll be fine.

Alternatively, maybe that's just the Mamool Ja's thing, like how the sylphs struggle with names and first-person pronouns. Perhaps the Mamool Ja are perfectly intelligent, but don't feel the need to express that via complex language. If one or two words will get your point across perfectly fine, why structure a whole sentence around it?

Just to add, for all we know the Mamool Ja might not communicate exclusively via verbal means. That is to say, as lizard-types, they might use smells/body language/color flashes.

Entirely speculation, but this would suggest why certain expressions are entirely unspoken.

[Zero-ELEC]

Don't forget that a lot of the tribes we encounter are meant to speak their own languages and are either translated to "Eorzean" by the Echo or speak "Eorzean" weird, which implies grammar and linguistic stuff from their original languages. That was one of the reasons why people with the Echo were singled out by the Garleans or something, since they "spoke" the language of the Beast Tribes or some such... Or maybe this is all fanon that has been passed on as authentic.

[KageTokage]

Echo bearers in ARR were being sought out by the Garleans mostly for their ability to deal with primals.

I never really got the impression there was much of a language barrier between the beastmen and human races, though, as we see them communicating with non-Echo bearers rather routinely and the Gajasura tribe of the Matanga are the only ones specifically noted as having difficulty with the common tongue, which led to them being discriminated against by the Garleans.

[Denishia]

Minfilia specifically sends us to parley with the sylphs because of our Echo.

Minfilia: In short, it is essential that we approach the sylphs in as diplomatic a manner as possible. Words and actions can be misconstrued. The only sure way to communicate our intentions is the Echo.

The universal translator aspect of the Echo hasn't been stressed often, but it was central to that level 20 MSQ questline.

[Eisi]

Don't forget that a lot of the tribes we encounter are meant to speak their own languages and are either translated to "Eorzean" by the Echo or speak "Eorzean" weird, which implies grammar and linguistic stuff from their original languages. That was one of the reasons why people with the Echo were singled out by the Garleans or something, since they "spoke" the language of the Beast Tribes or some such... Or maybe this is all fanon that has been passed on as authentic.

This is why I wrote:

unless everyone in Tural speaks English BUT the Mamool Ja, which is highly unlikely given the fact that they are living in a diverse society in which everyone would interact in the same tongue most probably that means that that tongue is different from Eorzean/English.

So are we supposed to believe that the Mamool Ja who not only intermingle with other tribes but in fact do so on a day-to-day basis and rule their entire empire speak "Common" with a specific quirk while the other inhabitants of Tural do not? What are they too alien to properly learn the basic language of communication of their own homeland where they are perfectly integrated and make the king?

Because this is what it's gonna be peepz, I'm calling it. They will still speak broken English even though the story now positions them as living in the middle of and atop a society where "Common" is the norm.

[Cleretic]

Sounds more like you've just invented something to be mad about, and are now getting mad that you can't convince other people it exists.

I'll be mad if we get there and they are inexplicably the only ones talking in simple English. But until then you're literally getting angry at nothing.

[SannaR]

I mean the main reason why people east of Tural speak the language of the Hyur is due to it being the easiest to use via business means. Or at least that's the reasoning for the source. The last time I remember the echo being a translator is back during the Omega raids. When we needed Midgardsormr to tell us what Alpha says. Obviously there are Hyurs over in Tural and something similar could have happened language wise. I put it down to the possibility that the Mamool Ja might not be capable of saying some words in common. Or they could be running into the whole "Oh crap there isn't a Hyur word for ____". Course those over in Eorzea might just speak in broken common due to wanting to seem like they're just dumb mercenaries. I also blame it on XI. I'm just glad that XIV's Quiqirns aren't asking me if I have any shiny clink clink so far.