Thread: [6.0 - 6.4 Spoilers] An interesting video detailing Venat's polarizing reception

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

But Cleretic used the ShB cutscene as evidence. I’m disproving that. And according to your words if that’s disproven then everything else is up in the air as well. Not to mention both events are conflicted by short stories and lore QnA with the devs. Which you would know, if you’d watched the videos this thread is about. Again you’re just making yourself look like a clown in front of the people who have actually watched the video.

It wasn't the only piece chief and it wasn't the piece I was referring to. So go ahead, disprove the one I am talking about I'll wait.

@above. Think its terrible all you wish. She was playing a risky game as is also she doesn't give up so easily. They had a whole planetwide debate remember. Eldibus pulled himself out of zodiark to mediate and they could find no common ground. It ended in a fight if you recall.
your tally is 15 now. You just keep moving in twos chief. Wanna go for three? Mix it up a bit.

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

Blah blah blah, Venat's poor reasoning

You know why more people didn't engage with Cleretic's post? It's because Venat's reasoning has been called into question since EW dropped, and to the people who see through it, the metaphor, and all the other BS it's pretty apparent that she's blowing smoke. Some of her plan she enacts, sure, but a lot of it she immediately contradicts or goes against.

1. She sides with Hermes in this in his, "fair determination." That's literally aiding and abetting the enemy. She could have given his, Emet's, and Hyth's memory back via The Echo after Zodiark's creation rather safely.

2. She says she won't give up on man, on us(us being The Ancients). Then she does, pretty much immediately in the Sundering metaphor BS cutscene. Which doesn't even have the balls to show her followers sacrifice themselves to her.

3. The Amanesis cutscenes weren't about her faction warning the Convocation about Meteion or the true cause of the final days. It was the civil war she brought about over the maligned 3rd Sacrifice, which was a lie she fed her followers as we know now, unless we get new info in 6.5 that changes that ( I don't think we will).

It's all been addressed before. And it's funny that you always appeal to other people, but never find the quotes yourself. Remember when you tried to appeal to authority with that Tumblr blog and expected your opposition to just sift through an entire blog? You're the one working on faith that the people you agree with are right just because they quote the game. Which, you know, everyone in this forum that you hate quotes the game all the time exactly as it is, often in multiple languages.

Gonna start calling you Creationist Mal.

Originally Posted by Vyrerus

You know why more people didn't engage with Cleretic's post? It's because Venat's reasoning has been called into question since EW dropped, and to the people who see through it, the metaphor, and all the other BS it's pretty apparent that she's blowing smoke. Some of her plan she enacts, sure, but a lot of it she immediately contradicts or goes against.

1. She sides with Hermes in this in his, "fair determination." That's literally aiding and abetting the enemy. She could have given his, Emet's, and Hyth's memory back via The Echo after Zodiark's creation rather safely.

2. She says she won't give up on man, on us(us being The Ancients). Then she does, pretty much immediately in the Sundering metaphor BS cutscene. Which doesn't even have the balls to show her followers sacrifice themselves to her.

3. The Amanesis cutscenes weren't about her faction warning the Convocation about Meteion or the true cause of the final days. It was the civil war she brought about over the maligned 3rd Sacrifice, which was a lie she fed her followers as we know now, unless we get new info in 6.5 that changes that ( I don't think we will).

It's all been addressed before. And it's funny that you always appeal to other people, but never find the quotes yourself. Remember when you tried to appeal to authority with that Tumblr blog and expected your opposition to just sift through an entire blog? You're the one working on faith that the people you agree with are right just because they quote the game. Which, you know, everyone in this forum that you hate quotes the game all the time exactly as it is, often in multiple languages.

Gonna start calling you Creationist Mal.

You don't engage with it because it proves you wrong and for whatever reason you can't just say. "We don't like that it was written this way and more should have been done." Yall gotta act like it didn't happen.

Call me what you wish you're still wrong and that's why you keep deflecting and doing all this name calling. Couldn't be me You just all kinds of wild chief. Real amusing though.

Stop speculating on what you think could have been done and find something that actually happened that negates Venat's statement. That's what you need to do to prove your point. Which you can't. So what does that make you. A guy who is wrong about the story and has an opinion on how it should have went.

You mean the blog that just has quotes from the game? I remember posting it and some of you refusing to look at it because it was a tumblr link.

@above. Chances are good its the set of quotes you thought I was talking about, considering in that very cutscene they decide to summon their own primal with Venat at it's core. We know the debates happened before the battle between the eldest of primals. Again try and keep up. This is what lying to yourself for over a year does I suppose. Again, couldn't be me.

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

It's on the second page. They are direct quotes from Venat about what she plans to do and her reasons. Been posted many times over the years this thing has been going on.

Okay, this is something I can work with.

Now, what if I were to tell you that I took that into account when forming my opinion? My opinion being that everyone involved was up to some incredibly messed up stuff. The Ascians took an uncountable number of lives in the pursuit of their goals. Venat took an uncountable number in the pursuit of hers. This doesn't change for me even if I give the benefit of the doubt and assume the writers meant for Venat to have examined literally every possibility and variable. I don't have any sort of moral outrage toward it. It's just a character in a story. I simply look at it and go, "ah, exterminatus. The Emperor's will be done." What got my goat was the lack of consistency and seeming walking back of some things.

That's it. That's my opinion on the character and its actions. There were plenty of things in Endwalker I didn't overly care for, this being but one. Did I think it over too deeply? Yeah, probably, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Moral quandaries are inherently interesting things, and they can make for some very enjoyable discourse when everyone is approaching from a place of logic. Stories and characters within them should be able to hold up under close scrutiny.

I'mma be real. Most of the people I know that took umbrage with Venat are either on or somewhere near this particular boat.