Dancer is WAY too proc focused

[ZiraZ]

merely pretending

[Ggwppino]

if the dnc didn't have procs, it wouldn't work as a class, it would be a terribly bare class with 2 no brain button spam. the dnc was thought to be profoundly influenced by procs by exploiting the most playful concept there is: the random factor.

the dnc takes up the random concept of many RPGs and proposes it in a much more modern form. You may or may not like this of course, but if the dnc didn't have procs, right now, it would be worse and more boring than a broil spam

[Duskane]

DNC needs more procs tbh
i wanna bird up more often than every 60 seconds

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

Changing things to make them easier such as reducing healer attack buttons or removing positional does Not effect New players they do not care about doing super well in every dungeon/normal trial. We Don't need a system that encourages making things easier for a group of people who wouldn't even notice.

Huh, that's odd, I wonder why ff11 is a dead game. Oh that's right..! It gated out new players with its clunky outdated design philosophy!

Meanwhile 14 is adapting to new players and thriving by expanding its inclusivity to a wider demographic.

[Mimilu]

Huh, that's odd, I wonder why ff11 is a dead game. Oh that's right..! It gated out new players with its clunky outdated design philosophy!

Meanwhile 14 is adapting to new players and thriving by expanding its inclusivity to a wider demographic.

What does XI have to do with anything? (´⊙ω⊙`)！
Thinking about it, XI doesn't have positionals or procs, so, if anything, you should want XIV to be more like XI! o(≧∇≦o)

[Gember]

What does XI have to do with anything? (´⊙ω⊙`)！
Thinking about it, XI doesn't have positionals or procs, so, if anything, you should want XIV to be more like XI! o(≧∇≦o)

I'm only gonna cherry pick and say sneak attack and trick attack on THF was a thing in 11 where you had to be behind the enemy, but thats besides the point xD. I only speak from the Zilart days. I have no idea if its different now days.

[Mimilu]

I'm only gonna cherry pick and say sneak attack and trick attack on THF was a thing in 11 where you had to be behind the enemy, but thats besides the point xD. I only speak from the Zilart days. I have no idea if its different now days.

Yeah but THFs were rarely invited to parties outside of using them for their Treasure Hunter trait. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))
Plus Trick Attack did more damage while you were behind a partymember, not an enemy, so that's an even crazier positional requirement. (◍´͈ꈊ`͈◍)

[Rychu]

Huh, that's odd, I wonder why ff11 is a dead game. Oh that's right..! It gated out new players with its clunky outdated design philosophy!

Meanwhile 14 is adapting to new players and thriving by expanding its inclusivity to a wider demographic.

FF11 is a "dead" game because its over 20 years old and plays like it, you can't the fundamental core of the game for inclusivity because then it just wouldn't be the same game anymore. This is like if I didn't like how Barret played in FF7 so instead of just changing him out for another party member I bitch and moan to SE to change his playstyle to be more like Tifa. Doesn't make much sense does it?

[Rithy255]

Huh, that's odd, I wonder why ff11 is a dead game. Oh that's right..! It gated out new players with its clunky outdated design philosophy!

Meanwhile 14 is adapting to new players and thriving by expanding its inclusivity to a wider demographic.

This has literally nothing to do with what I even said? Arguably it speaks volumes that FF11 a game that embraces more unique and complexity is still getting a player base at all after all this time. No the reason why ff14 is more popular is because it's more recent and gets updates.

ff14 is already bare bones easy for new players, they don't care about optimizing damage, people aren't going to complain 99% of the time if you aren't playing your job properly in a dungeon run. It has that Wide appeal already, new players don't really care about procs/positionals.

Lets not pretend FF14 Is thriving or doing bad, it's doing alright right now, it could honestly be doing better at keeping players interested. people are less inclined to play because of the lack of content... you know what would make things like that more fun, having actual good job design that promotes differences in each jobs such as Positional on melees, long cast times on casters, procs on some ranged jobs ect.

The game should be player friendly but it should also be friendly to those that want to stick around, those who want more complexity in jobs and frankly a lot of people are kind of fed up with things being made easier and easier, If the game properly was to actually properly thrive they need to do different things then just making jobs easier, retaining players is also very important, a lot of people have been feeling burnout from EW's current design double downing on SHB's design.

Theirs nothing wrong with being new player friendly. But Jobs at level 90-100 (In the next expansion) don't need to be "new/casual" friendly, again if you know the basics of DPS, healing or tanking it's really really easy to play in 90% of the playable content, it was easy back in the older expansions too, all you had to do was press some buttons that lights up and sometimes press your buffs, Even if you're scared of healing in dungeons you can play with Duty support or trusts now... I don't get how the game can be anymore new people friendly at this point.

[dspguy]

DNC reminds me of how MCH was when it came out. You had 3 bullets + 1 reload that guaranteed your 1-2-3 combo would proceed. After that, it was random. If every job had this randomness, such as a MNK or DRG missing a combo, forcing every player to stare at the hotbars, it would be one thing. But, this is limited to DNC and I think RDM. And in my opinion, if it was possible to get every single proc, those jobs might be on par with other high DPS jobs. Which means that every time you don't proc (which is often), it is simply a constant reminder that RNG makes you a lesser DPS.