Do we really need the Scions again?

[kpxmanifesto]

And that's one of the biggest issues I'm going to have with this expansion, instead of meeting a new character/companion who is a native of Tural, who will explain the lore of their home and their various legends to us, Y'shtola will instead read it all from a book and relay it all back to us, as she always does.

I really hope this doesn't happen and that the writers switch it up and let Y'shtola take a backseat for this. This is a great opportunity for SE to introduce some new characters, and I hope they capitalize on it.

[Zachia]

Counter argument, do we really need the forums for people to be the loud vocal minority? The scions are the best developed characters any MMORPG has ever done. They are so popular the cat scions have cults. I feel like anytime people mention that the scions should go away or stop bringing them into the game are the same people who want to see the game actually fail. Think about it like this would it be Final Fantasy 7 without Cloud and his friends? If they made an expansion and not a single character of the main cast was there? Would that be "High quality story telling?" or would it be better just to make it into a whole new game and not Final Fantasy 7 2.0.

FF14 IS the WoL With the Scions.

[ForsakenRoe]

The scions are the best developed characters any MMORPG has ever done.

lol

I'd say that in just FF14, Ysayle/Estinien's dynamic through HW was better. Two people, wanting the same thing, but with completely different ideas on how to get there, and forced to work together despite their differences, eventually gaining mutual respect for one another

As for 'character in any MMORPG', I give more of a damn about the safety of a side character as inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as Lucille Waycrest from WOW, or Elena from the Ardougne Plague series of quests in OSRS, than whether or not Y'Shtola manages to use her Aether Satnav to find her way out of the Lifestream after deciding to use forbidden incantations for the 3rd time. See, you can only tell me how important and cool a character is, as a dev, so many times, before I the player stop caring and start thinking 'yeh yeh sure whatever'. I find myself being more concerned for the safety of Krile, or Hoary Boulder, or Arenvald and Fordola (remember how Arenvald got a disability and it had actual ramifications?) At this point, if Lyse and Y'shtola get killed by a falling boulder in an ancient New World ruin, I'd be sadder about Lyse. It's like how they've done callbacks to Haurchefant too many times now. We get it. He helped us in a time of dire need, we miss him. We don't need you giving us flashbacks every expansion to remind us. At a certain point, we stop being sad about the event, because we've gotten reminded about it so often we're just numb to it.

edit: I hope that the 'scions divided' thing they mentioned at Fanfest is like a 'two paths, choose to side with team A or team B to get the treasure first' thing, because that way while none of them 'die', it does mean that half of them sod off and are mostly out of the way for the duration of the expansion. Let me take the 3 least irritating members with me (probably Thancred, Urianger, Krile if she's available/Estinien if not), and let the rest stay offscreen with their tacos and pina coladas

[Zachia]

I mean you're doing exactly that. You're claiming to speak for everyone else too. But you do so with hostility and trying to shut down peoples voices and opinions. I talk for no one, I browse social media pages, I talk to random people online, I see the love that people have for the Scions. TBH if we really wanna be technical and factual. The people playing online are more happy with the game than anyone who spends most of their time on the forum. Why would any self respecting company listen to people who spend more times on the forums than in the games?

As for 'character in any MMORPG', I give more of a damn about the safety of a side character as inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as Lucille Waycrest from WOW, or Elena from the Ardougne Plague series of quests in OSRS, than whether or not Y'Shtola manages to use her Aether Satnav to find her way out of the Lifestream after deciding to use forbidden incantations for the 3rd time. See, you can only tell me how important and cool a character is, as a dev, so many times, before I the player stop caring and start thinking 'yeh yeh sure whatever'. It's like how they've done callbacks to Haurchefant too many times now. We get it. He helped us in a time of dire need, we miss him. We don't need you giving us flashbacks every expansion to remind us. At a certain point, we stop being sad about the event, because we've gotten reminded about it so often we're just numb to it.

Waycrest as the character who had one leveling zone story worth of character build up, created the order of embers or what ever and was never ever heard again? Someone so lacking and not even popular that no one cares what happened to her? Mankrik who had even less screen time is more popular than her. I honestly feel like if went with your design in story telling there wouldn't be a lot of people to be there. Also them are fighting words that you dont care about the scions. Can't believe you care more about throw away characters that are one dimension sided than characters who have years of effort put into them.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean you're doing exactly that. You're claiming to speak for everyone else too. But you do so with hostility and trying to shut down peoples voices and opinions. I talk for no one, I browse social media pages, I talk to random people online, I see the love that people have for the Scions. TBH if we really wanna be technical and factual. The people playing online are more happy with the game than anyone who spends most of their time on the forum. Why would any self respecting company listen to people who spend more times on the forums than in the games?



Waycrest as the character who had one leveling zone story worth of character build up, created the order of embers or what ever and was never ever heard again? Someone so lacking and not even popular that no one cares what happened to her? Mankrik who had even less screen time is more popular than her. I honestly feel like if went with your design in story telling there wouldn't be a lot of people to be there. Also them are fighting words that you dont care about the scions. Can't believe you care more about throw away characters that are one dimension sided than characters who have years of effort put into them.

The point went right over your head huh ? You went from saying "yeah everyone thinks x" to "yeah everyone in the game thinks x", literally called yourself out there bud

but good attempt

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

[Zachia]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

[Stormpeaks]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

Did you really hit me with the "I got more friends than you" ?

Bro lmao please stop embarrassing yourself

[kpxmanifesto]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

Jesus... Stormpeaks must've really struck a nerve in you.

[Basil_Buffheart]

oh no how could they include the main characters in the game

[TheOperator3712]

Do WE, the playerbase, need them? No not really, we'll find a way to manage if they take a hike of indeterminate length. Do the devs need them for marketing, pr, and other brand recognition reasons? You bet they do, which is why they will continue to drag them through the story kicking and screaming no matter how many times they "die". And even if they let one of them stay dead, you can be sure that they will find a way to milk that death and remind you of it at every opportunity to keep you emotionally hooked. Is this an overly cynical take? Maybe, but to be honest it's the only one that makes sense to me given the facts that I have available to me.