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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    This would be incredibly saddening honestly. Especially because they specifically included Venat in the msq reward. If they tied the antagonist equivalent to mogstation it would just show the devs bias even more i suppose.

    I mean the bias clearly exists, we don't spend time with Zodiark like we do with Hydaelyn / Venat.
    Hydaelyn's message is more optimist/positivist than Zodiark, they picked one side instead of spending 20 years developing both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elissar View Post
    I mean the bias clearly exists, we don't spend time with Zodiark like we do with Hydaelyn / Venat.
    Hydaelyn's message is more optimist/positivist than Zodiark, they picked one side instead of spending 20 years developing both.
    You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past, and that's not even touching with the interactions with him as Themis in Pandaemonium. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 08-01-2023 at 09:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.
    Yeah but darkness bad according to Yoshi so it's never happening unless he's low on cash.
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    Oh I don't doubt that it's likely not, it's more that I find the reasons being offered pretty shoddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    You can frame it however you want - both Zodiark and Elidibus are significantly bigger aspects of the story than just about anything else, and certainly Athena. With no Elidibus, there is no going back in the past, and that's not even touching with the interactions with him as Themis in Pandaemonium. No Zodiark, there is no star remaining and no Hydaelyn plan whatsoever since it's dependent on his existence. The least they can do is provide a minion for them.
    There is no Pandaemonium story without Athena. I want a Themis minion as much as the next person but there's no one more important to that story than her. There would have been no reason for interactions with Themis without her actions.

    I expect some of these we might see in future Rising events, Gold Saucer, or treasure maps like Hyth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    There is no Pandaemonium story without Athena.
    We don't have a Mitron minion even though we don't have an Eden story without Mitron. We probably wouldn't have ever even met Gaia (who got a minion) without Mitron. Personally I don't think Mitron needs a minion, and I'm also happy that we got an Athena minion, but your logic doesn't really work when considering Eden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    They literally made venat minion lol
    True. Plus, the 'Nidhogg Slayer' title or whatever that one was comes to mind as well. Spoilers don't seem to be an issue when it comes to this stuff.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 08-01-2023 at 02:22 PM.