Enmity Management, Do we want it back?

[primarisgoazrr]

Yo fellow tanks, it’s as the title says do we want enmity management back? If so how should we go about it? Would we still keep Tank stance? Or are things better the way they are now? Personally I think things are okay the way they are, but I would certainly be open to the idea of putting more enmity responsibility on the tank, it would just have to be better balanced than in StB(that’s when I started, maybe I was just new and it was a skill issue, not sure tbh). Maybe Provoke could have a shorter cooldown, Flash(and other tanks equivalent) could have a bigger radius and maybe be oGCD, and maybe other select skills could have increased enmity generation. Anyways what do you guys think?

[Zairava]

I personally want it back, but I don't think they'll ever revert it or try to think of a way to implement it better than it was (which would honestly just be buffing the enmity generation from tank stance so that the dps wouldn't need to use diversion/old lucid). They perhaps thought of that is my guess, but they ultimately decided on just making it impossible to fall off after a few GCD's.

[Payadopa]

Play Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and then XIV and tell me which one you prefer. For me it's the former and by a landslide. What even is the point of tanks if all I do outside Savage is to AoE while being bored?

[vetch]

Yup.

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[Arohk]

Enmity Managment is a trash mechanic and not fun.

[Marxam]

I personally want it back, but I don't think they'll ever revert it or try to think of a way to implement it better than it was (which would honestly just be buffing the enmity generation from tank stance so that the dps wouldn't need to use diversion/old lucid). They perhaps thought of that is my guess, but they ultimately decided on just making it impossible to fall off after a few GCD's.

Tanks are getting a lvl 1 trait in 7.0 where they will always have enmity regardless of stance and their stance acts only as a job gauge similar to DPS and is not tied to any enmity generation. They are also reducing the timers of shirk to 60 secs. Please look forward to it.

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

Tanks are getting a lvl 1 trait in 7.0 where they will always have enmity regardless of stance and their stance acts only as a job gauge similar to DPS and is not tied to any enmity generation. They are also reducing the timers of shirk to 60 secs. Please look forward to it.

This sounds like a good change, what's the point of cool animations if I can't watch them? Nobody thinks you're cool for hitting buttons on your keyboard top kek

[LilimoLimomo]

Enmity management is still a mechanic in the current game, it's just one that can generally be solved with minimal hassle. So the core question is would the game be improved if there was more hassle involved to managing this.

I can see it going both ways. I can see it being something that gives players something interesting to actually do and manage instead of just mindlessly doing a rotation, but I can also see it being something that creates conflict between players of different skill levels.

For example, if a skilled DPS can pull more enmity than an unskilled tank, and thus create a blame game of whether the DPS should do less damage or the tank should git good, I don't want this system. If players keep getting hit by mechanics, resulting in the healer needing to heal more, and thus the tank can't keep aggro, that also seems like a negative situation where I can envision many parties devolving into finger-pointing. There's just so much potential for this to become something that creates divides between players with different skill levels and different philosophies.

So I would only want more enmity management if it were designed in such a way that it prevents such conflicts.

[vetch]

So I would only want more enmity management if it were designed in such a way that it prevents such conflicts.

That's... not possible.

You can't turn an un-failable system into a failable one without risking some people getting upset when the failures happen.

The argument is that it's worth doing in spite of that, because games where it's possible to fail due to insufficient personal skill are more entertaining, and for longer, than ones where it's not.

[Mikey_R]

The problem with the old enmity system is it was a punishment on the tanks rather than being a reward. DPS was the default stance (sans initial enmity gain) and it was down to the rest of the party to manage their enmity so that you could stay in DPS stance.

Even if you wanted to use your enmity combo in DPS stance, since they didn't generate resources, it then messed with rotations, eg. PLD and DRK didn't restore MP.

This could be solved by both combos generating vital resources, however, if you make both combos essentially the same, just with different potencies and enmity modifiers, if you were every forced to use the enmity combo, it was again a punishment for the tank for other player's lack of team work, plus, having 2 combos do basically the same thing is definitely grounds for button bloat.

So, down to 1 combo, and you have either tank or DPS stance, say you cannot hold enmity in DPS, but you can in tank, well, that is basically what we have now, it's just been reduced to 1 stance instead of 2.

So, unless a different system is implemented that doesn't devolve into it being a punishment for tanks, then the system we have now is better.