What makes a good relic storyline / step

[Jeeqbit]

Stormblood and Shadowbringers were the best ones because of using Exploratory zones. The RNG substats in Stormblood were not good and I am glad they don't do it anymore.

People who want only one weapon (or one role, ie all tanks) would do the grind, and get their weapon, and it'd be a satisfying 'I worked to get this and now I have this, dopamine obtained', but those who want all 19 would

That was one of the big issues. I got my weapon for one job casually over a few 3-hour sessions of each Eureka area as they released. It was like 3 hours a week. That's it! But the people who got all the weapons for all the jobs were like "this is too much or too grindy" and said it was miserable waiting for NMs, yet if they just did 1 there wouldn't have been these issues.

Shadowbringers did try to address this problem by having some steps that are one-offs and then you don't need to do them for your other relics. It also gave people the option to spam old raids, which some people prefer, whereas I prefer to do the new/exploratory content, so I did it all inside Bozja and Zadnor. I didn't do CT or Omega or anything like that.

(don't know why people preferred CT so much, it's like a love-hate relationship, they complain about hating CT but when given the choice of that or Bozja they do CT).

[Avatre]

That was one of the big issues. I got my weapon for one job casually over a few 3-hour sessions of each Eureka area as they released. It was like 3 hours a week. That's it! But the people who got all the weapons for all the jobs were like "this is too much or too grindy" and said it was miserable waiting for NMs, yet if they just did 1 there wouldn't have been these issues.

Shadowbringers did try to address this problem by having some steps that are one-offs and then you don't need to do them for your other relics. It also gave people the option to spam old raids, which some people prefer, whereas I prefer to do the new/exploratory content, so I did it all inside Bozja and Zadnor. I didn't do CT or Omega or anything like that.

(don't know why people preferred CT so much, it's like a love-hate relationship, they complain about hating CT but when given the choice of that or Bozja they do CT).

The part of the Eureka weapons I hated most was the people who sat there doing nothing when you were working to spawn NMs, just to zerg it and then go sit and do nothing waiting for the next. That, and Pagos, were probably some of the most annoying parts of the entire process. And I was someone who was doing all of them, ended up with SAM needing BA only, WHM needing Hydatos+BA, and everything else was just starting Pyros. And that's where they've all sat since I finished Pagos partially due to it being boring going in there alone, and there barely ever being anyone else in the instances.

[Jeeqbit]

The part of the Eureka weapons I hated most was the people who sat there doing nothing when you were working to spawn NMs, just to zerg it and then go sit and do nothing waiting for the next. That, and Pagos, were probably some of the most annoying parts of the entire process. And I was someone who was doing all of them

That was also an issue. The people who were just doing one didn't like it if they were casual players either, for some reason, because their 2 hours of play was consumed by waiting for NMs.

Some people like myself are perfectly alright with that though. I think I did Pagos after it had only had one nerf (it got many more after that), but people were still saying it wasn't good, but I had no problems at all and even solo-spawned some NMs in Pagos.

[Zarkovitch]

Choices is the important steps of relics. Don't like the new open world SE made for you then, grind old world content such as fate,roulettes,hunts to achieve it. Biggest flaw of SHB relic was there part they force you to do bozja content for sake of lvl up relic. They should just put options grind X amounts of stuffs to get the lvl up or do new open world content.

[CNitsah]

(don't know why people preferred CT so much, it's like a love-hate relationship, they complain about hating CT but when given the choice of that or Bozja they do CT).

The speed, for re-doing half of the steps, I can assure you the bozja/zadnor option are not 100%. Compared to the 10 min that CT tower takes, with the certitude of getting one. It's also why people mostly ran out of bozja Fates instead of bozja fates for the augmented resistance weapons. People will prefer to do something that takes them 10 min with 100% drop rates over something that takes 5 min with a 50% chance drop rates (and it was not 50%).

[ChrysOCE]

The speed, for re-doing half of the steps, I can assure you the bozja/zadnor option are not 100%. Compared to the 10 min that CT tower takes, with the certitude of getting one. It's also why people mostly ran out of bozja Fates instead of bozja fates for the augmented resistance weapons. People will prefer to do something that takes them 10 min with 100% drop rates over something that takes 5 min with a 50% chance drop rates (and it was not 50%).

Most do, but I would take the 50% chance over doing CT for anything, every time.

Also, and I know this depends on what your resistance honors are, but you can clear CLL and Dal with 3-5 people (3 if at least two have decent DPS honors). You can clear DR super easy with 5 people. Maybe some see that as a negative.

EW relic has been underwhelming. I don't care for Hildebrand so, especially this last step, was just skipping through. Some like the humour, it's not for me. I get they want to make the grind easy or up to player choice. But all it really does is cheapen the experience. The relic process feels more of a byproduct, or passive achievement, rather than actively doing something. The relic designs themselves? Underwhelming, so far, compared to other relic steps in prior releases.