No content for 1 year :)

[Syln]

You know the worst part about all that ? If they incentivized more playing with other people "organically", content would be far less of an issue, but they chose to make the game solo oriented, even the group content feel like solo since you don't need to organize/communicate until you start doing extreme trial.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm a solo player enjoyer but that direction make new content a central part of the experience requiring decent and more importantly frequent updates, sadly they completely failed to deliver on that part thus resentment is growing and they can only blame themselves for it.

[OdinelStarrei]

The TC said that Meteion was right and there was no point to living. The logical conclusion for anyone who truly believed that is that they would have already done what I said.
I asked why they hadn't done so already, to invoke the response that they didn't actually believe that.
The disingenuous take is that anyone would think I was actually telling someone to do that. But this is the internet, and this forum in particular, a cesspit of negativity and aggression.

"Yes, let me question an obviously mentally deranged person on the internet why they haven't game ended themselves if they truly believe in the pointlessness of their own life, that'll surely get them to rationally reflect on the insanity of their mindset."

Bruh

[Nebelheim]

The TC said that Meteion was right and there was no point to living. The logical conclusion for anyone who truly believed that is that they would have already done what I said.
I asked why they hadn't done so already, to invoke the response that they didn't actually believe that.
The disingenuous take is that anyone would think I was actually telling someone to do that. But this is the internet, and this forum in particular, a cesspit of negativity and aggression.

Its still messed up to tell someone to off themselves when someone is suffering irl.

[Carin-Eri]

"Yes, let me question an obviously mentally deranged person on the internet why they haven't game ended themselves if they truly believe in the pointlessness of their own life, that'll surely get them to rationally reflect on the insanity of their mindset."

Bruh

I don't know - I mean, this is a bit of a grey area in my view. I recall that thread fairly well and whilst the OP expressed the opinion that life is pointless (hence the Meteion was right context) the OP was nonetheless future-focused and I don't think they directly expressed suicidal ideation per-se.

And, from experience, people who openly express thoughts of suicide are not usually (its certainly not exhaustive) the ones most likely to actually try. It's the ones who tell absolutely no-one, because you don't find out that they felt that way until it's too late

[xbahax92]

Yeah, there are a lot of people who still love this game and they come here to defend it. The people who'd disagree with them are largely barred from posting here, but they're quite vocal (if you ask them why they quit xiv) when you run into them in other games.

Kinda hilarious, if you think about it. Trying to defend SE and Dev choices by telling others to go outside. While they have simply zero loss, when others ask for more content. It's like they're protesting to run duties in FFXIV?

[Jojoya]

You know the worst part about all that ? If they incentivized more playing with other people "organically", content would be far less of an issue, but they chose to make the game solo oriented, even the group content feel like solo since you don't need to organize/communicate until you start doing extreme trial.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm a solo player enjoyer but that direction make new content a central part of the experience requiring decent and more importantly frequent updates, sadly they completely failed to deliver on that part thus resentment is growing and they can only blame themselves for it.

What would you suggest they do to create that "organic" opportunity?

Most of the MMORPGs since WoW's release have contained a fair amount of solo content. That's one of the things that made WoW so hugely appealing - players could progress their characters even if their friends weren't online to play. They weren't forced to socialize with random strangers who may or may not be pleasant to play with. It made player gatekeeping of content access less likely to happen.

What is it that makes some players avoid random group matchmaking and turn to solo content? Other players.

It doesn't make any difference how "organic" game developers make the group content experience if there will continue to be a segment of the player base being judgmental, hostile and just plain unpleasant to be around. Too many people already have to put up with that sort of thing all day long at work, the last thing they need is to deal with it in their games. Try to force the socialization with the negative element and the player population starts shrinking.

FATEs are a nice piece of organic content. Players are free to come and go as they please. When the only reason to do them is for XP, GC Seals and gemstones, parties are relaxed and friendly.

The moment SE tries to make FATEs more relevant for things like relic weapons, it gets ugly as everyone descends on the zones. Players using the OP BLU abilities to insta-complete FATEs and prevent others from getting credit. Players who mess around and reset mobs, causing the efforts of other players to be wasted.

It's a bit ironic that players are occasionally the reason players don't get the things they're asking for. What's the point of adding content that will inevitably end up ruined by those who can't "play nice"? Less of a headache to design content as solo content, while still leaving room to play with friends, than to design content to require socialization.

It takes time to develop new content. They could push out content faster but it would start getting really sloppy and would likely be filled with bugs. This is true of every MMORPG. Check the content release periods for the others over the years and see how much content was being produced and how long players had to wait to get it.

I know some people like to point at WoW right now but there are a couple of things to keep in mind: WoW has a bigger development team than FFXIV and the reason that Shadowlands ended up content starved was because they realized they had a dog of an expansion on their hands. They choose to put more of the development team to work on Dragonflight to make it a better game than to try to salvage Shadowlands. It seems to have worked but the pace of content releases will end up slowing back down for WoW again before much longer. Then WoW players will start having the same complaints that we hear about FFXIV.

The easy solution: learn to enjoy playing mutiple games. Don't look to a single game as your be all and end all. Play when new content is released, do what you're interested in then move to another game with new content while waiting for the next content release.

If you're going to keep asking for innovation and new types of content, don't be surprised when existing content gets shortchanged or left out as they move staff to work on the new stuff.

If you feel like you're not getting your money's worth, then stop buying. Go somewhere that is giving you a good value for your money. It does not make sense to be paying just so you can be angry and miserable.

[TaleraRistain]

You know the worst part about all that ? If they incentivized more playing with other people "organically", content would be far less of an issue, but they chose to make the game solo oriented, even the group content feel like solo since you don't need to organize/communicate until you start doing extreme trial.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm a solo player enjoyer but that direction make new content a central part of the experience requiring decent and more importantly frequent updates, sadly they completely failed to deliver on that part thus resentment is growing and they can only blame themselves for it.

This isn't a new direction, though. We've always had the MSQ be mostly solo with required group instances. The only thing they changed was that the group instances don't always require others now. We can use the Duty Support system. I mean people can be resentful there's not more optional group content, but it would be silly to get mad that the already-mostly-solo MSQ is being made more soloable.

[Syln]

As i said, i'm a solo enjoyer so i need my dose of fresh and fun content on a regular basis, currently i get that from other games but obviously i'm frustrated that ff14 give me so little even after multiple months of break.

FATE are a perfect example (and the worst) of a decent concept at the time it came out that never really evolved, the reward are shit and the gameplay is just a repetitive/glorified mob bashing with a flavor text.

As a standalone content, they are absolutely awful, now they can be use as part of a bigger concept like Eureka and Bozja but as they are in the open world, it's an outdated and boring idea that didn't aged well at all.

You don't make content relevant by forcing it unto people, what kind of idiotic mentality is that ? Of course it's not gonna work and create the opposite effect, i sure hope they learned that lesson and it's certainly not the players fault to try and circumvent boring content. How about making it fun in the first place ? It's obvious they don't care about that when it come to FATE, they are just here to add a line on the expansion content showcase at that point.

So no i'm not gonna "quit" because i'm disgruntled with how they handle content and i'll continue complaining and being cynical about it because i paid for 1 month of content and if i'm not getting it in the game i'm gonna get it in the forum while doing something else :3

[Asako]

The sad part about FATES is they have great boss ones. Killing Order and Devout Pilgrims are really good FATES. That's what I wanna see more of. Big random battles that are fun to do and gets everyone out together doing them. No one cares about collecting plants or killing trash mobs for FATES, but when it comes to the big bosses, people start showing up and for 20 minutes the zone is 'alive'

[TheMightyMollusk]

I miss the cage thread. It was peak forums insanity and I doubt anything that comes after that will surpass it.

I dunno, I liked the older "Why can't we get pregnant?" thread. Pretty sure that one didn't get scrubbed, either.