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    Player
    Xeronia's Avatar
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    Xeronia Alden
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    At the moment I am doing the suggested grind of Splendorous Tools. This is just hitting macros for several hours after putting every item in a Garland data/teamcraft list and eventually a shiny main hand happens. The hardest part is remembering to re-up food if it falls off in between 30 crafts. I do like the tools at least, they are very pretty. I love the frying pan and am glad I did it first. This sadly is only finite and for how easy it is to macro isn't really lasting content.
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    Koros Drakon
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Long lasting for who though?.
    Is it better to give 0% of players long lasting content or 20% of players long lasting content?

    By your logic we shouldn't produce bread ever again because not everyone gets to eat the bread
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Coeurl
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Is it better to give 0% of players long lasting content or 20% of players long lasting content?

    By your logic we shouldn't produce bread ever again because not everyone gets to eat the bread
    *taps at the gluten intolerant sign*
    Hey, I don't make the rules. /shrug
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Is it better to give 0% of players long lasting content or 20% of players long lasting content?

    By your logic we shouldn't produce bread ever again because not everyone gets to eat the bread
    In that case, there's no problem since there always has been a long-lasting piece of content in the game that many players already participate in.

    Accumulating gil. There's no barrier to entry other than completing the first 2 quests every new character gets and accepting the third. There are multiple options to enhance a player's experience with the content. Reach gil cap, move part of the gil elsewhere and keep going.

    All is well on Etheirys now, right?
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    In that case, there's no problem since there always has been a long-lasting piece of content in the game that many players already participate in.

    Accumulating gil. There's no barrier to entry other than completing the first 2 quests every new character gets and accepting the third. There are multiple options to enhance a player's experience with the content. Reach gil cap, move part of the gil elsewhere and keep going.

    All is well on Etheirys now, right?
    Please tell me this is a joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Please tell me this is a joke
    Of course it's sarcastic. A MMO is not going to survive with only a single piece of long lasting content that has appeal to a small segment of the player base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Of course it's sarcastic. A MMO is not going to survive with only a single piece of long lasting content that has appeal to a small segment of the player base.
    And if you actually read their point then you’d understand that giving a small segment a long lasting piece of content is better than giving none of us a long lasting piece of content

    Love Bozja or hate Bozja you can’t deny some people loved and it kept them subscribed, there is no equivalent keeping people subscribed that is unique endwalker content

    So you are saying “the game can’t survive off a long piece of content for only a small part of the community” and acting like that’s an excuse to give nobody content
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Of course it's sarcastic. A MMO is not going to survive with only a single piece of long lasting content that has appeal to a small segment of the player base.
    No, however it would be a start to have something long lasting. The added benefit of creating evergreen content is it generally needs much smaller improvements as time goes on, making it easier to focus on additional evergreen content without abandoning the old. Take Island Sanctuary, for example. With actual depth it could have easily served as a lighter version of farming simulation games with built in longevity. Instead, it's little more than a glorified retainer venture that wouldn't last a week without artificial timegates. And even with those gates has less than 10 minutes of activity a day.

    The whole point of MMOs is building multiple sources of evergreen content to cover as many demographics as they can so patches don't stagnate. Which is something Endwalker has completely failed at doing.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    Almost like you can magically drop your sub and come back when enough new content is around worthnit
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    Player Ravenblade1979's Avatar
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    Almost like you can magically drop your sub and come back when enough new content is around worthnit
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