Data from lucky bancho about participation in field content

[Rolder50]

Rewards are there even if they aren't the rewards that some are looking for. Most of the reward complaints come down to "give us gear".

So let's say criterion did reward gear. Either the gear would have to be bad or they would add a weekly gear lockout to it. Then what?

Have the gear be equivalent to the dungeon item level for the patch but give them unique, compelling armor models. Maybe if you do the savage version, you can get armor models that have some kinda fancy glowing effect. Think Eureka elemental armor

Boom problem solved.

Another idea: Have Criterion drop the twines and such you need to upgrade gear (with a weekly lockout), and there you go.

[Supersnow845]

Let’s not pretend this problem is caused by wow refugees, if anything wow refugees would probably be the ones who are most amicable to eureka

[Koros]

Let’s not pretend this problem is caused by wow refugees, if anything wow refugees would probably be the ones who are most amicable to eureka

Maybe, but the loudest simps I've seen are literally all wow refugees. Maybe we can call them by a new name: WoW BPD refugees, since it's pretty obvious the only reason they defend FF14 like so is because they had a bad breakup with WoW.

Ironically the people I know who are most upset with the current state of FF14 are the ones who have never touched WoW and got into it in 2.x/3.x.

[Supersnow845]

Maybe, but the loudest simps I've seen are literally all wow refugees. Maybe we can call them by a new name: WoW BPD refugees, since it's pretty obvious the only reason they defend FF14 like so is because they had a bad breakup with WoW.

Ironically the people I know who are most upset with the current state of FF14 are the ones who have never touched WoW and got into it in 2.x/3.x.

That’s me (well 1.0 but still)

I still think this isn’t a WOW player problem, this is an UWU “spamming diagnosis while I look at my shisui cat girl is my playstyle” problem, which is not the WOW players

[DixieBellOCE]

That’s me (well 1.0 but still)

I still think this isn’t a WOW player problem, this is an UWU “spamming diagnosis while I look at my shisui cat girl is my playstyle” problem, which is not the WOW players

The issue is, and always will be, people that pick up an MMO and then don't want it to be an MMO.

MMO's exist as a social game, and it seems like this new generation of players struggle with even the basics of social interactions, therefore avoid any and all content that requires you to communicate with another living person.

The sad reality is that those people get catered to, and more and more of the MMO feeling gets sucked out of the game.
Right now i feel like I'm playing a single player game with a multiplayer lobby built into cities, And that is certainly not what FFXIV felt like in 2.0 when i started playing, The world was alive back then.

[angienessyo]

Maybe, but the loudest simps I've seen are literally all wow refugees. Maybe we can call them by a new name: WoW BPD refugees, since it's pretty obvious the only reason they defend FF14 like so is because they had a bad breakup with WoW.

Ironically the people I know who are most upset with the current state of FF14 are the ones who have never touched WoW and got into it in 2.x/3.x.

And here I am someone that played WoW since vanilla and actually picked up Dragonflight because I was so unhappy with the current state of FF14. Though I technically don't count as a WoW refugee as I picked up FF14 during Heavensward and had only stopped playing WoW because my friends stopped playing. I still raid log in FF14, but most of my MMO time has been on WoW as of late. I would actually be very happy if 14 stole Dragonflight's way of gearing up. It'd make it a lot less painful to swap jobs for whatever reason mid savage/ultimate prog. At least at the moment I feel like I always have something to work on/grind towards in WoW, which FF14 isn't giving me right now. Both games have their issues, but I can't believe in the year 2023 I'm having more fun in WoW than FF14.

[Deo14]

Rewards are there even if they aren't the rewards that some are looking for. Most of the reward complaints come down to "give us gear".

So let's say criterion did reward gear. Either the gear would have to be bad or they would add a weekly gear lockout to it. Then what?

Those "rewards" you speak of are materia, 1 framer kit, 1 orchestrion scroll and 1 mount. Savage version has materia and 1 housing item.

People want gear because the content is savage equivalent, and parties are often enforcing 650 ilvl. So why should there be no gear rewards? Do you think it will break devs' sacred formula of gearing or what?

Do you think that people would still run raids like they do today if they removed gearing and only left mount, minion and a scroll? I hope you're not that naive.

So let's say criterion did reward gear. Either the gear would have to be bad or they would add a weekly gear lockout to it. Then what?

Then people will be happy. Raids do have weekly lockout and they're fine, what about it? Why do you think it wouldn't work for criterion? Just put some upgrade mats to criterion and participation will sky rocket.

I must say that this screenshot didn't aged well

A lot of things in that panel didn't age well.

[Koros]

Those "rewards" you speak of are materia, 1 framer kit, 1 orchestrion scroll and 1 mount. Savage version has materia and 1 housing item.

People want gear because the content is savage equivalent, and parties are often enforcing 650 ilvl. So why should there be no gear rewards? Do you think it will break devs' sacred formula of gearing or what?

Do you think that people would still run raids like they do today if they removed gearing and only left mount, minion and a scroll? I hope you're not that naive.


Then people will be happy. Raids do have weekly lockout and they're fine, what about it? Why do you think it wouldn't work for criterion? Just put some upgrade mats to criterion and participation will sky rocket.



A lot of things in that panel didn't age well.

At the end of the day a lot of content fall by the wayside because the sacred gear treadmill only incentivize Savage raids and hunt trains (or Expert roulette if you want to be slow)

[Koros]

And here I am someone that played WoW since vanilla and actually picked up Dragonflight because I was so unhappy with the current state of FF14. Though I technically don't count as a WoW refugee as I picked up FF14 during Heavensward and had only stopped playing WoW because my friends stopped playing. I still raid log in FF14, but most of my MMO time has been on WoW as of late. I would actually be very happy if 14 stole Dragonflight's way of gearing up. It'd make it a lot less painful to swap jobs for whatever reason mid savage/ultimate prog. At least at the moment I feel like I always have something to work on/grind towards in WoW, which FF14 isn't giving me right now. Both games have their issues, but I can't believe in the year 2023 I'm having more fun in WoW than FF14.

Kinda sad because FF14 used to actually give people something to work on. That's literally why Preach, for example, praised it. He made a whole video praising Bozja. It's a literal bait and switch from SE lmao