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  1. #1
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    New teaser trailer was okay, but the tone and the music choice caught me off guard.

    ...in my opinion. Just my opinion. I was really thrown off by how wrong my expectations were on what I would see from the new trailer.

    We've concluded the overarching 10 year plot. It's now the beginning of something new. And I was expecting this amazing orchestral music, something really uplifting as they introduce us to this new world. Like I was expecting that sort of music like 'Driven by the Stars' from Monster Hunter World.

    Soken's rock music is great and all, but it's definitely mishandled here. They should of definitely went with orchestral. It's a step into a completely new setting and a new saga for the story.

    If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer. It didn't give me the feeling that I expected, so good job subverting my expectations I guess?

    I could go on about things like not expecting the scions to take center stage again, but I feel like that's a completely other topic. The whole point is, I didn't think we would have rock band music for this trailer because it didn't suit it.

    I wanted a "Welcome to a whole new world with another great journey that awaits you." Instead of "Woo! We on vacation, guys! Let's get piss drunk and party rock while shoving big fat tacos in our face"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelgarde View Post
    If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer.
    Well, yes, it's not really matched the Shadowbringers or Endwalker teaser, but I think it sounded better when not watching it through a stream and I think the fight sequence will make it better when we get it. Currently the fight sequence seems to get cut short.

    It's also hard to imagine going from this heated Golbez situation, to suddenly having a holiday in an expansion themed like Island Sanctuary, so that helped subvert the expectations even more.

    The detail we were given after made me feel better about it, because we're going to explore some mountains which seem interesting. Also should remember, and they did mention this, but even if they hadn't, there is a city of gold there. I hope it isn't just gold though, because I don't like anything to just be one color.

    Soken's rock music is great and all, but it's definitely mishandled here. They should of definitely went with orchestral. It's a step into a completely new setting and a new saga for the story.
    We don't question Soken. According to what was said at fanfest, he was surprised by it as well but he did what he was asked.

    I could go on about things like not expecting the scions to take center stage again, but I feel like that's a completely other topic.
    I wish they didn't as well. They did talk about the scions falling out though, so maybe we'll fight them as bosses.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelgarde View Post
    If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure. But I was very thrown off with the entire tone of the trailer. It didn't give me the feeling that I expected, so good job subverting my expectations I guess?

    I wanted a "Welcome to a whole new world with another great journey that awaits you." Instead of "Woo! We on vacation, guys! Let's get piss drunk and party rock while shoving big fat tacos in our face"
    Yeah, I know what you mean. It was a little too light-hearted, and I can see this trailer throwing off people who are new to the game. From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?" I bet some might end up thinking that Dawntrail is a spin-off of FFXIV, much like how Mario Party was a spin-off of a regular Mario game or how DOA Beach Volleyball was a spin-off of the usual DOA fighting game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?"
    It's an RPG. This looks like a "where the story is going" teaser (and where it is going looks pretty interesting). And those conspicuous people must be the main cast that older players would recognise?

    Plus you get to fight some kind of giant two-headed Mayincaztec demon thing with giant swords. Cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    From an outsider's perspective, people are probably going to ask: "what the hell is this, what is the objective of this game?" I bet some might end up thinking that Dawntrail is a spin-off of FFXIV, much like how Mario Party was a spin-off of a regular Mario game or how DOA Beach Volleyball was a spin-off of the usual DOA fighting game.
    The trailer clearly shows some sort of adventure going on, including a fight between the MC and a two-headed creature, so I'm not sure why anyone would think this is a FFXIV spinoff. From what we've heard of 7.0, it's going to be a much more light-hearted adventure than what we've been dealing with these past few expansions. I think the music fit fine, and really set the tone of "We're finally getting to have some fun after all the shit we've had to deal with."
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    I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.
    No particular guarantees of a long-term arc in general. They will probably do whatever they think fits. If there is a story they want to tell over two expansions they will probably do that rather than saying it has to necessarily be like the arc we've had that lasted a decade.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.
    I think otherwise... this is actually the perfect foundation, because it literally sets the tone down there at the lowest possible. Like, no matter what they do, the WoL can't really be treated like a beginner adventurer anymore, so having this 'relaxed' opening theme for the arc makes a lot of sense.

    I'd personally bet that the serious tone will escalate as the MSQ progresses. I'd say the finale might as well add a big cliffhanger of the new theatening force that will be explored further in the patch series and beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.
    I feel like 6.1-.5 should have been the "palette cleanser". An X.0 story is something like 5-10-20x as long as any single X.Y patch MSQ. Contrast 5.0 or 6.0's story to any of the sub-patches. The only one that came anywhere close in reveals and major story was 5.3. Even all together, 6.1-.4 would maybe be equivalent to 6.0's story from the start to Zodiark...which was 3-4 levels and about 30% of it.

    I sincerely hope this isn't a "beach episode filler", or I might actually take a long break from the game for the first time. I'm hoping the full trailer will show there's more going on than just that.

    The time for a "palette cleanser" would have been 6.1-6.4, with 6.5 (and maybe hinted at in 6.4) setting up the next arc, not an entire X.0.

    EDIT:

    Personally, I'm with OP on this one. It doesn't help that "nasaly boy band obligatory beach song" is quite possibly one of the genres of music I hate more than any other. Like, it makes me spontaneously angry and I have no idea why. Maybe I was a scorned teenybopper in a previous life or something, but I genuinely hate that kind of music with a passion, which is very rare for me since MOST music I enjoy, and most of the stuff I don't I can at least be neutral on. But that particular kind of music like the trailer sounds like cats fighting on a chalkboard and triggers a visceral response to me.

    I'm hoping the rest of the trailer won't suck and will be better stuff. EW completely changed tone going from the SB screamo segment to the Sharl "Wings of Hope" segment, and the SB was after the HW segment with Estinian. But this one seems more like ShB. And to be fair, ShB kind of agitated me initially, but redeemed itself at the end of 5.0, but even there, the cutscene itself was epic to make up for it. This one is kinda..meh.

    I did like to see WoL smile (twice). Once when asked if he was enjoying himself for once, and once when his cloak was set on fire. That was nice. The rest of it didn't really do it for me. Alise eating. G'Raha eating. Y'Shtola seeing sights could be interesting but might be meh. Estinian being a childcare worker is just going to be all kinds of annoying, calling it now. Thancred doing something as pedestrian as treasure hunting. And Urianger sipping a margarita. I dunno, the only one of those things that might be interesting to me is if Y'Shtola has some interesting research going on, but that'll just be the teaser at the end of the story that hints at some future story, I fear, rather than actually having a payoff in the main story of the expansion proper.

    I'm withholding judgement until I see the complete trailer, but I kind of am not really enthused so far. Cautiously hopeful - these Devs have done a good job the last 10 years, so they deserve the balance of the benefit of doubt - but I'm iffy on how far to give that from what I've seen so far.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 07-31-2023 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelgarde View Post
    If they wanted to go with 'Welcome to the filler beach expansion, have fun with your vacation." Then sure.
    But that's what it is. We need to reset expectations so that people can get excited when 10.0 comes out in 2030. It's best to make expectations low right now so that we can all have fun in 2030. That's what matters, right? Who cares if this is filler when 10.0 is going to be the best expansion? What's the alternative, Shadowlands? Remember all the bad stuff like Bobby Kotick and the Cosby Suite? Yeah, you don't want to go there. Be grateful you have FFXIV. I myself can't wait for the new expansion to come out seven years from now. We're all hyped.

    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I am actually expecting this expansion to be a detour, "fun filler" expansion as a palette cleanser that then the 7.X patches actually begin the real set up for the new arc. This doesn't feel like the foundation for the next arc to me.
    So true. The devs work so hard for so little, and they all deserve a rest. We can start the real story in 2025 or so, which will be the build-up to the new arc that will really start in 8.0. We can just play other games until then.
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